Phone Conference P1450.1 Working Doc Subgroup
Thurs, Jan 27, 2005, 10:00 am PST
Attendees:
Tony Taylor (chair)
Greg Maston (scribe)
Peter Wohl
Don Organ
Tom Bartlestein
Doug Sprague
Dwayne Burek
John Cosley
Jose Santiago
Documents
Agenda
1. Review STC meetings
2. integrating Don's changes
3. review concerns with Dwayne
Meeting discussion
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STC/STIL meetings
Meeting opened with a brief
summary of the STC/STIL meetings that
just occurred in Austin Mon Jan 24-Wed 26. Overall, the meetings were
very positive. STC has interest in funding some amount of STIL
support, as well as working inside their group to identify support of
STIL in the OPENSTAR context. There is concern about the current dual
development efforts between STC and STIL flow, and agreement to work
together as the STC can join the dot4 Working Group at any point.
At this meeting, a presentation of the current STIL extensions was given
by Tony Taylor. Also a set of projects was proposed to bring
OPENSTAR and STIL into closer alignment. This proposal can be
accessed from the stil-user-group web site:
ftp://ftp.sourceiii.com/STIL-UG/STC-2005-01-24.pdf
Don's review comments re. expressions
Reviewed Don's proposal over
expression concerns, and discussed
changes in particular to table 5. No negative concerns raised about
this. Tony agreed incorporate the changes into D22 for review at the
next wg meeting.
Dwayne's review comments
Dwayne identified his current
concern is that there are too many
capabilities in dot1, concerned about what may not be present in an
implementation. This is not an issue limited to dot1, it's been
identified that many current implementations of the existing specs
support only a subset of the full language (that subset being the
common set currently generated across tools). Discussed the notion of
subsets, perhaps application-centric, to identify what constructs will
be available in a context. Tom identified a concern about further
complicating implementations given an array of dotted constructs AND a
set of subsets. John indicated that one 'subset' area he's had recent
conversations in is with scan functionality - what behaviors in scan
contexts are allowed or not allowed.
The proposal was made to consider identifying supported/
unsupported constructs as part of dot3, to allow
tool/application/context - specific definition of limitations.
Gordon's review comments
Although not received in time for the meeting, Gordon has reviewed
D21 and his 10 comments are now included in the review
resolution document for D22.
Meeting ended at 10:39
Next meeting
Next meeting in two weeks, Feb 10, 10 am PST.
AIs
Tony - create a new D22 and make the changes agreed to on 1/14 and 1/27.
Tony - make adjustments to the document wrt "type safe" issue discussed on 1/27
Rohit - discuss with Jason Doege the P1500 definition for complex scan cells and see if they can define a better way to represent these cells in 1450.1.
Tony - make changes to Table 5 per Don's suggestion to clarify the content of expressions
WG - review GR comments at next wg meeting