Mah:July 3 1997: PESC 97 Minutes.doc
THIRD MEETING OF THE
POWER ELECTRONIC MODULE INTERFACE WORKING GROUP
P1461
WHEN: 12:00pm to 2:00pm Wednesday June 25, 1997
WHERE: PESC 97 in St Louis MO
CHAIR: Dennis Darcy
SPONSOR: Jason Lai
VICE CHAIR and SECRETARY: Mark Harris
ATENDANCE:
| NAME | ORGANIZATION | ADDRESS AND PHONE # | |
| Dennis Darcy* | c |
SatCon | 161 first street Cambridge, MA 02142-1221 (617)349-0927 Fax (617) 661-3373 darcy@satc.com |
| Jason Lai* | s |
Virginia Tech | 661 Whittemore Hall Blacksburg, VA 24061-0111 (540) 231-4741 Fax (540) 231-6390 laijs@vt.edu |
| Mark Harris | sc |
ManDign | 4126 East 61st
Street Indianapolis, IN 46220 4667 (317) 253-3445 Fax (317) 251-2784 Harrism@iquest.net |
| Angelo Ferraro* | tl |
Harris | 3 NORTHWAY LANE NORTH LATHAM, NY 12110 (518) 782-1182 ferraro@hprd.semi.harris.com |
| Jeff Fishbein* | tl |
Bergquist | 5300 Edina Industrial Blvd. Edina, MN 55439 (612)820-6508 jeff.fishbein@bergquist.sprint.com |
| Sunil Chhaya* | tl |
GM Adv. Tech Vehicles | Mail Code 483-619-406 1996 Technology Drive Box 7083 Troy, MI 48007-7083 (810)680-4156 schhay@cmsa.gmr.com |
| Arthur Kelley* | m |
North Carolina State University | ECE DEPT. , BOX 7911 Raleigh, NC 27695-7911 Phone and Fax (919) 515-7357 kelly@eos.ncsu.edu |
| Balarama Murty* | m |
GM R&D Center | Mail Code 480-106-A26 30500 Mound Rd 106 Box 9055 WARREN, MI 48090-9055 (810) 986-2419 Fax (810) 986-0412 bmurty@cmsa.gmr.com |
| Chuan Pai* | m |
Delphi E (GM) | Indianapolis Technology
Center PO Box 502650 Indianapolis, IN 46250 (317) 579-4921 |
| Yuri Khersonksy | Power Systems Group | 901 East Ball Road Anaheim, CA 92805 (714) 956-9200 ext 106 Fax (714) 956-5397 ykhersonsky@powerparagon.com |
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| Jim Nagashima | GMATC Torrance | Bldg 237/MS 1528 PO Box 2929 Torrance, CA 90509-2923 nagashij@pcssmtp.hac.com |
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| Dave Perreault | MIT | Rm 10-013 77 Massachusetts Av. Cambridge, MA 02139 (617) 253-2083 djperrea@mit.edu |
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| Kaushik Rajashekara | Delphi E | 7601 East 88 Place Indianapolis, IN 46256 (317) 579-3705 lnusind.nzqvmt@gmeds.com |
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| Dong Tan | TRW | R9/2849 One Space Park Redondo Beach, CA 90278 (310) 814-5250 |
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| Dushan Boroyevich | VPI | 664 WHITTEMORE HALL BLACKSBURG, VA 24061-0111 (540) 231-4381 dushan@vt.edu |
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| Alex Stankovic | Northeastern | 409 Dana Bldg Boston, MA 02115 (617) 373-3007 Fax (617) 373-8870 astankov@cdsp.neu.edu |
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| Thomas Jahns | MIT | Room 10-171 Cambridge, MA 02139 (617) 617-1976 Fax (617) 258-6774 tjahns@mit.edu |
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| Craig Nordby | Northrup Grumman | ESSD MS 649 PO Box 1897 Baltimore, MD 21203 (410) 765-9675 Fax (410) 765-4365 craig_j._nordby@postal.essd.northgrum.com |
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| Rob Lankin | AGILE SYSTEMS | 440 PHILLIP STREET WATERLOO, ONTA N2L5R9 (519) 886-2000 fax (519) 886-2075 rlankin@agilesys.com |
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| Xingyi Xu | Ford | (313) 594 3169 xxu@ford.com |
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| Van Godbold | University of Michigan | 4901 Evergreen Road Dearborn, MI 48128-1491 (313) 593-5525 Fax (313) 593-9967 jericho@umich.edu |
Original AGENDA:
Review the agenda
Approve the minutes
Review action items
Task leader reports
Tentative Discussion of PCIM Roundtable on Power Module Specs,
Review and generation of action items
Close with next meeting agenda
ACTIVITY:
Modify the agenda
Approve the minutes
Review action items
Tentative Discussion of PCIM Roundtable on Power Module Specs,
Refocus Direction and Plan for Rapid Progress
Review and generation of action items
Close with next meeting agenda
These changes were accepted
After some time Yuri asked about the next meeting at PCMI, asking about the propriety of having a IEEE standards meeting at an industry funded meeting. Suggesting that IAS meeting a few weeks later would be a better forum.
- Asked to put off discussion until after the minutes had been approved.
Yuri K Also asked about the consideration being given other standards groups at work on related issues and standards developed in the past but currently dormant.
- Jaison Lai is doing this at the committee level but Chairman asked that Yuri try and track down all other activities he has knowledge off and let the working group know about the.
Arthur K moved that the minutes be accepted and B Murty seconded, there were no objections.
Mark H. WEB PAGE AND NEWSGROUP FOR 1461: The set up of a chat room and better use of the WEB for communication was discussed. Arthur K has volunteered to manage a listserver, and will investigate the ability to have threaded discussions like a newsgroup. Mark H will also look into doing this. Tom Jahn also volunteered to help in this area.
Dennis--MORE MODULE MANFACTURER PATICIPATION: None of the module manufacturers were present. Once more Dennis will try to get them involved, also it is hoped that PCIM and IAS will have more representatives from the module makers so they will attend.
Dennis D. SAE STANDARD Has not been able to get it yet.
Dennis D. Find someone to take charge of the thermal interface issue. Van Godbold was asked to take this on had is now the Task Leader in that area.
Jeff has asked the organizers of PCIM for a half session period to set up a roundtable to discuss the need for Power Packaging standardization and the work being done in this group. Proposed Format:
- Introduction
- Overview paper discussing the purpose, rationale, progress and timetable of the current effort
- A panel or open forum discussion with the attendees
This was proposed in addition to a meeting of the working group that would be held in the evening.
THE NEXT FORMAL MEETING WILL BE AT IAS in NEW ORLEANS SOMETIME DURING THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 5th.
Need to keep the effort general and in support of the industry and users So we probably need to break the effort into smaller pieces and start at a low level.
Probably need to be very mechanical at first and firmly based in current practice.
Break the effort into a series of levels:
Level 0
- Physical Characteristics of the mounting and interconnect
- Pin size
- Wire size
- Bolt pattern
- Connectors
- Thermal Interface
- Liquid Cooled
- Conduction Cooled
Level 1
- Performance characteristics of the Interface
- Current density
- Thermal Impedance
- Control Signals
Level 2
- Test methods
We need to start a Glossary of Terms with definitions, this will be put up on the WEB and discussed over the listserver system so we have a common terminology to work with in future.
Yuri and Raja then asked some of the questions about Specs. vs Stds. and how we plan to keep this from becoming a specification for one product. And if we had thought about the fact that one size does not fit all. Yuri suggested that we somehow break the application space into zones.
Several people, Arthur, Sunil and Yuri in the main discussed how to break the space into zones. Voltage and box size came up with power, dissipation and current suggested as well. This is an interesting problem, AI Sunil volunteered to try and create a prototype zoning system for group consideration.
- After some discussions on the topic Dennis asked AI Yuri to take the lead in tracking down examples of prior work/specs/standards. Yuri will get them to Mark who will get them on the WEB site.
Now discussed how to break down the workload, in overview there will not be much change.
- Sunil C--Create the zoning system and work with others from the work he has put in on the PNGV power module spec.
- Van G--Thermal Inerface Supported by Anand as well as others
- Jeff F--Mechanical Interface Supported by Jason and Sunil
- Angelo F--Control Interface Supported by Chuan
- John M-- Power Interface Supported by Rob
Denns D emphasized that it would be in everyones interest if we could have Level 0 of one zone ready for the next meeting.
Tom J suggested that from prior experience e-mail and brainstorming like techniques could be used to accelerate a process like this.
- Put in around 4 hours or less on a cut at the problem assigned
- E-mail to everyone in the group and solicit suggestions
- Repeat
Someone suggested that a backbone for the brainstorming be provided in the form of a table of contents. AI Mark H volunteered to take Sunils' strawman and create a generalized table of content and get it out to the members.
B Murty suggested that all our work should be based on existing technology/methods. That we should basically be collecting a database of proven prior art for use in the future. Although there is some issue with looking to the future, for now it was generally agreed that this was the basis for our initial work.
THERE WILL BE A DISCUSSION OF OUR WORK AT PCIM 97 IN BALTIMORE
BUT
THE NEXT FORMAL MEETING WILL BE AT THE IAS GENERAL MEETING IN NEW ORLEANS SOMETIME AROUND OCTOBER 6th
Tentative Schedule of future meetings
| Winter 98 | APEC 98 | Feb 15-19 | Anaheim, CA |
| Spring/Summer 98 | IEEE HQ | June | Piscataway NJ |
| Summer/Fall 98 | PCIM | Sept |