Re: [STDS-P1619] Decision to switch SISWG to corporate-based voting / IEEE corporate members list

[Jack Cole <jack.cole@xxxxxxxx>]

no i have not kept up on billing for pars

i absolutely hope it does not happen

but ieee has consistently sought revenue enhancements

so it is believable

even though ieee is quite liquid financially (not so their societies)

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:01 PM, jgeldman <jgeldman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Richard,

The IEEE has regularly informed us that they have approved an addional per corporate group fee.

Our group reaction pretty much matches yours. It hasn't been appropriately communicated or billed. My understanding is that the current agreement is to start billing 1667 members on our next PAR.

If billed, it will be a special tax on corporate groups. Be sure what's coming.

Jack, i understand you've been part of these disscussions. Any comment?

 John

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Austin <austin_r@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:11 AM
To: STDS-P1619@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-P1619@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-P1619] Decision to switch SISWG to corporate-based voting / IEEE corporate members list

Not hardly – corporate dues range from $1100 to $5500 per year – see
http://standards.ieee.org/sa-mem/corp_overview.html However, depending on
the level of corporate membership, you do get either 2, 6 or 10 free
individual memberships in the IEEE-SA.



The individual/corporate voting conundrum is pretty common – as Eric points
out, it’s usually done to keep a single organization from wielding too much
ballot power in the activities of the organization.  The way we dealt with
it in another organization was to designate one voting member from each
organization with others from the same organizations serving as observers
(they could fully participate in all activities except voting).



Best regards.

Richard Austin, MS, CISSP

"From the character, the institutions, the situation and the circumstances
of the adversary, each side will draw its conclusions, in accordance with
the laws of probability, as to what the actions of the other will be and
determine its own accordingly."

-- Carl Von Clausewitz. On War



From: James Hughes [mailto:jphughes@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:38 PM
To: STDS-P1619@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-P1619] Decision to switch SISWG to corporate-based voting
/ IEEE corporate members list



Stupid question from out of the blue...



If you pick corporate-method, can you choose not to have dues?



Jim



On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Eric Hibbard wrote:





Dave,



The short answer is that we are about half way between the individual-method
and the corporate-method in the way we handle voting membership, and IEEE-SA
is insisting that we pick a method and live with it (no hybrids). We got to
this point because there was concern that one or more entities could/would
dominate the voting by sending many participants, with each being able to
vote.



-Eric



From: David Peterson [mailto:dpeterso@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:23 PM
To: STDS-P1619@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-P1619] Decision to switch SISWG to corporate-based voting
/ IEEE corporate members list



What is the reasoning for changing to something other than an
individual-based membership?



…Dave



From: Matt Ball [mailto:matthew.v.ball@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:31 PM
To: STDS-P1619@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-P1619] Decision to switch SISWG to corporate-based voting
/ IEEE corporate members list



Just to be clear, this motion was made not because the movers are
necessarily in favor of it, but that it would be the action that would
change the status quo (conversely, a motion to keep the voting as
'individual' would have no effect if it passed or failed).  If this motion
fails, then we'll stay as an 'Individual' working group, and adjust the
operating procedures accordingly to better match the new baseline
procedures.

Along these lines, Eric Hibbard has created an operating procedures proposal
for individual (not corporate) voting.  See:

https://siswg.net/index.php?option=com_docman
<https://siswg.net/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=189&Ite

mid=41> &task=doc_download&gid=189&Itemid=41

(changes from the baseline procedures are highlighted)

I've added discussion of this proposal to the agenda for the July 15th
meeting.  If the group decides to move to 'Corporate' voting, we'll need to
figure out those Operating Procedures, and change all the PARS.

Thanks,
-Matt

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Jack Cole <jack.cole@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

You might talk with James Borden, Daniel Goodman of the 1667 group, which is
entity based, has been from inception. At times 1667 has considered going to
individual-based membership. I have not heard that recently, but you can get
their perspective on being an entity-based group. One particularly
irritating aspect for me personally has been that, even as sponsor chair, I
could not vote in 1667 balloting.



"James Borden" <James.Borden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 1667 chair

"Daniel Goodman" <daniel.goodman@xxxxxxxx>, 1667 secretary

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Matt Ball <Matthew.Ball@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Folks,

In today's meeting, we tabled a motion to switch SISWG from individual-based
membership to corporate-based membership.  We'll hear this motion again at
the next meeting on July 15th.  To help you make your decision of Individual
vs. Corporate membership, here are some links.  I've also attached a list of
IEEE-SA corporate members, as of June 2009.

If we stay with individual membership, there will be no fees for
participating in SISWG.  If we switch to corporate membership, then the fees
range from $1100 to $5500 per year, depending on company size.  If you're
company is already on the attached list, then you wouldn't need to pay any
extra.

Links:

*       http://standards.ieee.org/sa-mem/corp_overview.html - Overview of
IEEE-SA corporate membership
*       http://standards.ieee.org/sa-mem/corpmemlist.html - List of IEEE-SA
corporate members
*       http://standards.ieee.org/corpforum/cag/wgproc.html - Baseline
corporate working group operating procedures
*       http://standards.ieee.org/board/aud/WG_PandP.doc - Baseline
individual working group operating procedures

I know Eric was about ready to hop on a plane, so I wanted to get these out
for review now...

Let me know if I missed anything or if you have any questions!

Cheers,
-Matt



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Thanks!
-Matt

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