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*To*: STDS-802-3-10GMMF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*Subject*: Re: [10GMMF] Re feedback Polarisation effect and my HMG calculations*From*: Bottacchi.external@xxxxxxxxxxxx*Date*: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:56:33 +0100*Approved-By*: David_Law@IEEE.ORG*Importance*: high*Priority*: Urgent*Reply-To*: "IEEE P802.3aq 10GBASE-LRM"<stds-802-3-10gmmf@xxxxxxxx>*Sender*: owner-stds-802-3-10gmmf@xxxxxxxx*Thread-Index*: AcTCrqIPahpglio8Rju7pMmTElINUwAbkvaw*Thread-Topic*: [10GMMF] Re feedback Polarisation effect and my HMG calculations

Dear Yu, I agree on your comments. I have just replied to John on the same way you are justifying polarization dependent pulse response. I guess Joerg simulation he did yesterday highlights this approach. Essentially, higher order modes reaching outer core region where multiple alpha or ripple are present become no more "groupable" due to their different propagation constant. If polarization affects individual modes this at least gives clearer indication to our picture (hopefully...) Best regards Stefano -----Original Message----- From: owner-stds-802-3-10gmmf@IEEE.ORG [mailto:owner-stds-802-3-10gmmf@IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Yu Sun Sent: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 21:28 To: STDS-802-3-10GMMF@listserv.ieee.org Subject: Re: [10GMMF] Re feedback Polarisation effect and my HMG calculations Dear John, Thank you very much for your comments. For a perfect radial symmetric waveguide, the change of input polarization varies the energy of the degenerate modes (the sin mode and cos mode) in one mode. The total power of the mode is a constant. The root of the polarization effect is the imperfection of the fibers, the asymmetric fiber core, the perturbation of the index profile, as well as the external stress. These imperfections introduce the modal selective loss, mode coupling and power diffusion in the multimode fibers. The exact mathematic expression of these behaviors is complicated. However, the common point of these behaviors is that the energy in the modes is redistributed and how the energy is redistributed depends on the spatial distribution of the modes and their initial power partition. Empirically, the combination of polarization induced energy transfer among the degenerate modes and modal selective lose, such as an offset at the connector or detector, resembles the experimental observation. I hope this make some sense. I would appreciate your comments. Best regards, Yu -----Original Message----- From: owner-stds-802-3-10gmmf@IEEE.ORG [mailto:owner-stds-802-3-10gmmf@IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Abbott, John S Dr Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:40 PM To: STDS-802-3-10GMMF@listserv.ieee.org Subject: Re: [10GMMF] Re feedback Polarisation effect and my HMG calculations David, thanks for your kind note. I would comment to the overall group that the mathematics gets burdensome in some of this and David's care is appreciated. For example, his equation (27) corrects a typographical error in the Saijonmaa reference. I think that maybe in the observation of polarization sensitivity what is happening is that one of our assumptions about the laser launch & light propagation in FDDI links is not a sufficiently accurate approximation These are some of the ideas which have occurred to me: A. is the launch axis parallel to the fiber axis? I think the Grau paper in David's reference list suggests that if the launch has some tilt that there will be a polarization effect, and one explanation is that the launch is extremely sensitive to tilt (i.e. we can never eliminate tilt) so that we cannot eliminate some residual polarization sensitivity. B. similarly, David's revival of the Hermite-Gaussian modes suggests the idea that a very small core ovality might break the symmetry presumed in much of our analysis, and that as soon as that happens polarization effects can be important. Since worst-case FDDI fibers can have a core ovality of 6%, one could definitely imagine this effect; however, Agilent and Infineon seem to see the effect on every fiber with a perturbation which they look at.... C. There is a dn/dr polarization correction term (the scalar wave equation ignores an extra term in the vector Maxwell's equations) which can help explain a polarization effect in fibers with large perturbations near the center; however, it sounds like Agilent & Infineon see effects with an offset launch if there is an index perturbation at that radial position. Of these, it sounds like quantifying the sensitivity to ovality might be the most useful, but maybe it is worthwhile brainstorming other ideas. John A. -----Original Message----- From: david_cunningham@agilent.com [mailto:david_cunningham@agilent.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:41 AM To: AbbottJS@corning.com; STDS-802-3-10GMMF@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re feedback Polarisation effect and my HMG calculations John, Per your feedback I have converted the calculations of my earlier discussion document called "Variation of the power coupled to the mode groups of a circular core square law multimode fibre from a circular single spatial mode laser" from HMG into LGG format (see attachment for amended document). The results now agree with your feedback. Specifically: 1) The excited mode power distribution (MPD) is constant and independent of the orientation of the optical polarisation of the laser source. 2) The coupled power is not equi-partitioned between the individual modes within a group. 3) At the launch, the optical polarisation of the excited fibre modes are the same as that of the exciting laser. 4) For axial-symmetric refractive index distributions the impulse response remains constant when the angle of optical polarization is rotated. This is because the modes within each group which exchange power when the polarisation is varied are the cosine and sine modes. As you have already said for axisymmetric index perturbations these mode have the same delay time. I am now right back where I was about a month ago - I don't see how axisymmetric models can be used to calculate the change in impulse due to launch polarisation variation. Thanks for the feedback, David

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