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RE: Why an optical PHY makes 10GbE a non-LAN protocol

Sorry about that. UPSR stands for Unidirectional Path Switch Ring. It's
basically a 1+1 style ring where the same data is sent both ways around the
ring at all times, and the receiver chooses the best incoming link based on
BER and other factors. BLSR stands for Bi-directional Line Switch Rings.
It's a 1:1 style ring where the data is sent one way or the other depending
on control information that is constantly sent around the ring to determine
the health of the ring. UPSR is simpler in the MAN where the extra fiber is
cheap. BLSR is more cost effective in the WAN where the cost of fiber and
regeneration equipment is very expensive so you want to maximize the
efficiency of the ring.

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 10:19 PM
To: Drew Perkins; 'rabynum@xxxxxxxxxxx'; 'Peter_Wang@xxxxxxxx'
Cc: 'stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: Why an optical PHY makes 10GbE a non-LAN protocol


I am not familiar with the acronyms "UPSR" and "BLSR".  Could you please
define these?  Thank you?

At 09:02 PM 6/27/99 -0700, Drew Perkins wrote:
>	I believe that the difference between LAN and WAN (including MAN)
>protocols has been mentioned in another very recent note. The key
>is whether or not it is the same administration that owns and operates both
>ends of the communication as well as the media in between. This is
>the case with LANs. WANs, on the other hand, are typically owned, operated,
>and managed by a service provider. Because the service provider needs to
>have good tools to know when they are not providing good service, and to
>locate the problem causing bad service, and to restore service while there
>is a problem, WAN protocols tend to have facilities to provide superior
>OAM&P compared with LAN protocols. Flavors of Ethernet do not currently
>the mechanisms for providing these tools.
>There may also be significant differences between MAN and WAN protocols. In
>both the SONET/SDH worlds and DWDM worlds, the protocols used over MANs and
>WANs may differ significantly. MAN protocols are often built to favor
>simplicity and performance over efficiency. Hence the use of UPSRs. WAN
>protocols are more often built to favor efficiency over simplicity and
>performance due to the significantly higher costs. Hence the use of 4 Fiber
>Ciena Corporation                 Email: ddp@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:owner-stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Roy Bynum
>Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 6:15 AM
>To: Peter_Wang@xxxxxxxx
>Cc: stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx
>Subject: Why an optical PHY makes 10GbE a non-LAN protocol
>I have been trying to figure out what the distinction between a LAN
>others.  There was the "assumption" made with the development of 1000BaseLX
>that the
>moderate power and 13xx wavelength specification would made it a MAN
>protocol. It
>did not, it only opened the door for it to no longer be a LAN only
>optical networking with optical PHYs, there is no such thing as a
>a MAN and a WAN protocol, only between LAN and non-LAN protocols.
>In re-thinking the distiction between the protocols that are restricted to
>distances, and those that are not, I may have found the answer.  Direct
>protocols, such as ESCON have a specific acknowledge responce time on each
>block.  The transaction concurrency responce time of ESCON resticts it to a
>distance.  The IBM standard has some specific distance limitations to it.
>specific distance limitation, based in data block acknowledge responce
>ESCON to being a LAN standard.  Changing the PHY by making it optical with
>launch power will not make into a WAN protocol, because the limitation is
>not in the
>PHY, it is in the protocol itself.
>Because of the latencies involved with the slow responce time of end
>mulitiple segments linked with repeaters, the original 802.3 did not have
>restrictive frame acknowledge responce times.  At the time, 802.3 was
>limited by the distances of coax cable. When full duplex 10BaseT came into
>802.3 became a point to point protocol, not much different from any other
>point to
>point protocol.  Some vendors even developed optical conversion and bridge
>interfaces that were optical.
>When 802.3 was increased to full duplex 100 mb speeds and given an optical
>PHY, the
>distance limitations were offically removed.  Full duplex 100BaseSX is a
>point to point protocol.  Some people even implemented 100BaseSX as in a
>configuration using optical wavelength converters.  Only economics and
>access to
>long distance fiber prevented 100BaseSX from becoming a WAN protocol at the
>first.  Full Duplex 1000BaseLX offically gave sanction to non-LAN 802.3.
>optical wavelength converters, even 1000BaseSX does not have any LAN
>limitations.  Only the "assumption" that 802.3 was a LAN protocol did not
>allow the
>802.3 WG to reconize that they were creating a non-LAN standard.
>The lack of restrictive frame acknowledge responce timers will also make
>optical 10GbE a non-LAN protocol by default.  Optical amplifiers will allow
>implementations of 10GbE that will go at least 600km.  In the optical
>environment there is no difference between a MAN or WAN at the protocol
>Because of physical installation limitations, multi-fiber, parallel, MMF,
>10GbE may
>be a LAN only implementation.  In spite of the "assumption" that 802.3 is a
>protocol, serial optical 10GbE will not be.  Serial optical 10GbE will be a
>Thank you,
>Roy Bynum,
>Optical and Data Network Technology Development
>MCI WorldCom

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