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RE: PAM-5, what are your BERs ?


Thanks for your comments.  Regarding to the closed-eye issue, I have
addressed my comments to Vivex's e-mail.


Edward S. Chang
NetWorth Technologies, Inc.
Tel: (610)292-2870
Fax: (610)292-2872

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[mailto:owner-stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Wincn
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 4:31 PM
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Subject: RE: PAM-5, what are your BERs ?


At 02:17 PM 29-02-2000 -0500, Edward Chang wrote:
>We are discussing the product developments, which are based on proved
>theorems and equations to mathematically calculate all designs.  After
>setting up tests to confirm that the test data, and the analyses are
>correlated.  Otherwise, repeat the procedures to achieve the goals.
>Finally, it will go through extensive system tests and BER tests to certify
>a product.
>Engineers do not just "looking at a scope", then make the comment.  They
>theorize it, quantify it, then make comments.

right.  that may have been a bad choice of analogy, on my part.  i apologize
if i have offended anyone.  in my read of this thread things seem fairly
clear --
i gather, from all of this, that Vivek has a lot of experience in this,
you do too.  it's my experience that Vivek's assessment is accurate, as

>Unless, some one has extensive communication product development experience
>in the past, it is hard for a one to grasp, and appreciate the contents of
>the comments put forward on reflectors by those serious contributors.

agreed.  in any event a more rigorous proof is best delivered in an HSSG
meeting.  here, we can best highlight one or more concerns.

>The cascading of the frequency response of each component to predict the
>over-all system frequency response is a well known basic tool implemented
>all circuit  designers.  It is as predictable as, 1+1 = 2.

well, i suppose so, though i'm not certain i follow your analogy.  here, i
to suggest that observation of "a closed eye diagram" may be 'necessary'
but isn't always -sufficient- indication of intolerably high BER.  i believe
must be additional work.

J M Wincn, Staff Engineer
Cielo Communications, Inc.
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