RE: PMD discussion
I am unclear as to what is meant by VSR. 802.3ae has two short reach
objectives, 100 and 300 m. In your view, is VSR space not covered by these?
Or is VSR sub-100m to you? Either way, I don't see the point of the
discussion unless it is aimed at changing the objectives.
From: Patrick Gilliland [SMTP:pgilliland@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: PMD discussion
Brad is suggesting, among other things, the VSR
solutions such as 850nm might be best addressed
in a different standard.
I believe Rich Taborek has suggested the same and
is soliciting proposals for the Fibre Channel PMD
working group. Probably the natural place for this
work might be a different forum. Otherwise, we must
ask the entire membership to reexamine the objectives.
I see no future in delaying the standard by maintaining
an 850nm voting block. If the membership does not want
to standardize VSR applications within 802.3, let's take
it to a different forum where it is of primary interest.
At 06:17 PM 6/1/00 -0400, you wrote:
>There are no PMDs in the set of 5 that do not meet at least one of
>objectives. As far as the 850 nm serial PMD, I believe I made a
>at the May interim as to why it also broadly meets the criteria.
80% of the
>market for 10GbE will be under 300 m. A solution optimized for this
>portion of the market has broad market application regardless of
>of distance objectives it covers.
>To your point on a small subset getting 100% majority, the
indication of the
>straw poll from the May interim is that down selecting below 5 PMDs
>going in the wrong direction to achieve consensus. The poll
>the 5 PMD set was favored by roughly 2 to 1 compared to the closest
>alternative of 3 PMDs. Further, I believe that the 3 PMDs are not
the same 3
>among the supporters of that choice, which subdivides the support.
>perspective an inclusive approach will work better than an
>approach in getting to consensus. In an inclusive approach you get
>you prefer, while others also get the PMDs they prefer. If you
>believe the market will be best served by some subset of the PMDs,
>free to use only those.
> From: Booth, Bradley [SMTP:bradley.booth@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 5:19 PM
> To: '802.3ae'
> Subject: RE: PMD discussion
> You touched on a key point. To quote you, "The norm is
> between a small subset that is targeted for their needs." I
> applying directly to what we need to work on. If there is
> available from another standards body (i.e. VSR VCSELs),
> to leave that effort in that standards body especially if it
> satisfy our criteria. I think there is a small subset that
> to standardize that we (I'm talking 100% majority) believe
> our effort on to meet our objectives while providing a small
> satisfy our customer's needs.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kolesar, Paul F (Paul)
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 4:06 PM
> To: '802.3ae'; 'Booth, Bradley'
> Subject: RE: PMD discussion
> 802.3z not only supported the installed base
> fiber (which has two
> bandwidth grades), but also included 50 um
> grades. These are a
> 400 MHz-km grade (representing the worst
> grade of 50 um) and
> a newer 500 MHz-km grade that allowed the SX
> meet the 550 m
> distance objective. I don't think customers
> difficult time
> getting GbE technologies to work in this
> are sensitive to
> this issue. So recognizing the need to
> from old, Lucent
> has made the new fiber easily identifiable.
> and patch panels
> are distinctly color coded to distinguish
> fiber types.
> I cannot predict the percentage of new
> since I don't have
> a crystal ball. But I believe it will be a
> amount with
> conversion accelerating as other fiber
> line. Lucent
> already shipped hundreds of kilometers of
>and we are
> still ramping
> up production. Also, I believe that
> occur most
> rapidly in those customer sites that intend
> equipment in the
> near term. So the absolute percentage
> key indicator to
> monitor, but rather the conversion occurring
> customers sites.
> When I look at the 10 port types, I see them
> types of
> customers. I believe that it will be a rare
> must make a choice
> between all 10 types. The norm is likely a
> small subset
> that is targeted for their needs. While most
> will not apply
> for any one customer, all of the choices
> in serving the
> entire customer base. Let's not loose site
> 802.3 is
> entering new market spaces. These new spaces
> the 10 and 40
> km distance objectives that far exceed the
> cabling (the
> scope of Ethernet up to now), and PHY
> address both LAN and
> WAN. Larger and more diverse market spaces
> need a greater
> variety of solutions.
> Paul Kolesar