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Re: [802.3_4PPOE] Channel P2P RUNB - Ad-hoc list of attendees - UPDATE

I fully agree that interoperability is #1.



From: Jeff Heath [mailto:jheath@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 9:37 PM
To: Darshan, Yair; STDS-802-3-4PPOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [802.3_4PPOE] Channel P2P RUNB - Ad-hoc list of attendees - UPDATE




I believe that this Ad-hoc should report the worst case cable imbalance at the temperature that creates the worst case condition, and is within the operating range for the ‘channel’.  In this case our analysis is including components beyond the PI because we seem collectively to feel it is prudent to do so.


I believe that there is president for worst case analysis including temperature in previous PoE Task Forces.  For instance, correct me if I am wrong here but the worst case channel resistance at 100m is specified not at 25C, but rather at a hot ‘edge’ (was it 50C ambient plus cable heating?)  In order to guarantee operability between PSEs and PDs, we needed to choose the worst case resistance of the channel.  If we want to interoperate, the same principle seems to apply here in my opinion. 


I believe that some of the push back on this issue is perhaps because the worst case imbalance is dominated by the PD diode bridges.  These components are indeed not in the PI but we are considering them in this Ad-hoc none the less because they are material to cable imbalance.


Interoperability is a key goal for this and any dot3 standard.  I am open to other approaches in achieving this goal as long as it creates confidence in the Task Force and dot3 that component providers and OEMs will understand what they need to do and systems will interoperate.




Jeff Heath
Design Center Manager

Description: Linear Technology Corporation




402 East Carrillo Street, Suite D


Santa Barbara, California 93101










From: Darshan, Yair [mailto:YDarshan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:09 AM
To: STDS-802-3-4PPOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [802.3_4PPOE] Channel P2P RUNB - Ad-hoc list of attendees - UPDATE


Hi all,


Please review if I missed your name in the list of attendees on last Thursday a-hoc meeting.




  • Yan ZHUANG
  • Ronald Tellas / Panduit
  • Larsen, Wayne /
  • Jeff Heath
  • Brian Buckmeier
  • Rick Frosch / Phihong
  • Christian BEIA / ST
  • Leonard Stencel / Bourns
  • Fred Schindler / Seen Simply
  • Koussalya Balasubramanian / Cisco

§  David Tremblay / HP



Darshan Yair


Chief R&D Engineer

Analog Mixed Signal Group

Microsemi Corporation


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