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Re: [802.3_4PPOE] Backfeed ad hoc - 3P detection



Hi Joris,

Few questions/

  1. In typical Schottky diode, with a rated voltage of Vr=50V, what will be the leakage current at VR=10V and VR=50V?
  2. Same question for diode with VR=100V.

During 802.3af/at the 28uA came from the calculations shown in darshan_01_0518.pdf attached on page 18. It is based on a diode with minimum equivalent leakge resistor of 1Mohm. In real life, PDs that where using Schottky, pass the backfeed test. If you look at the calculation, asymmetry of 10:1 between diodes where taken.

 

Regards

Yair

 

From: Joris Lemahieu [mailto:Joris.Lemahieu@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 12:45 AM
To: STDS-802-3-4PPOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [802.3_4PPOE] Backfeed ad hoc - 3P detection

 

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Hi all,

 

I believe we are on the right track with the updates represented in the ‘yseboodt_01_0518_backfeed_baseline’.

The only concern I still have is with a “3-Pair PSE” trying to detect a single-signature PD (just for a single port system).

I have the impression the (schottky) diode reverse leakage has not always been taken into account properly:

either just neglected or represented as being a resistor (without additional current source in parallel).

See my presentation in attachment.

My concern is that a PD with real (schottky) diode bridges might become non-compliant to the 3bt standard

and that a “3-Pair PSE” would be allowed not being able to detect a PDs with real (schottky) diode bridges anymore,

due to hard to meet leakage current requirements.

As such I do not have any problem with that, but do we really want to go that far?

 

Next to my presentation, I also attached a spice schematic file for those that would like make simulations.

FYI, the name “3-Pair PSE” is short for “a 4-pair capable PSE providing power in 2-pair mode, whereby two pairs are connected to the positive VPSE, and one pair is connected to the negative VPSE“.

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Joris Lemahieu

Application Engineer

ON Semiconductor

 

+32 55 33 29 49

 

 


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