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Re: [802.3_B10K] Liaison for Consideration - ITU-T


Thanks for the clarification.  There appear to be four parameters in play.

1. EVMrms

2. I-Q offset

3. I-Q imbalance

4. quadrature error


To help describe my confusion, I’ll paraphrase and parse the last sentence of the paragraph in question.


A study of parameters 3 and 4 showed sufficient lack of consistency to either:

a) justify their removal from the EVMrms metric, or

b) introduce them as additional metrics.


How can parameters 3 and 4 be included in the EVMrms metric yet not specified as additional metrics?  Is this similar to TDECQ which includes a number of impairments, some that are not individually limited?





From: Peter Stassar [mailto:Peter.Stassar@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 10:00 AM
To: Kolesar, Paul <PKOLESAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: STDS-802-3-B10K@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [802.3_B10K] Liaison for Consideration - ITU-T


Hi Paul,


Thanks for your question for clarification.

First, I wrote this Liaison Statement from my role of Rapporteur (“chairman”) of ITU-T SG15 Q6.

Secondly there is no agreement/consensus in Q6 to use IQ-imbalance and Quadrature Error as additional metrics (beyond EVMrms and IQ offset) for the quality of 100G DP-QPSK transmitters.

At last week’s Q6 interim meeting in Hangzhou, China, the consensus on the provisional agreement from the June meeting was reconfirmed.

Even when it may still pop up again at a future meeting (ITU-T is contribution driven), I would expect the likelihood for adding IQ-imbalance and Quadrate Error as transmitter metrics as rather low, on the basis of the available test results and the discussions on those results.


Kind regards,




Peter Stassar, 施笪安

Technical Director, 术总监

Huawei Technologies Ltd, 华为技术有限公司

European Research Center, 欧洲研究所

Herikerbergweg 36, 1101 CM Amsterdam

The Netherlands

Tel: +31 20 4300 832

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From: Kolesar, Paul [mailto:PKOLESAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 2:42 PM
To: STDS-802-3-B10K@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_B10K] Liaison for Consideration - ITU-T



thanks for sharing this letter. 


Peter Stassar,

As the listed ITU-T contact, I’ll address my question to you.  I am seeking clarification of the last sentence of this paragraph.


At the SG15 Plenary Meeting in Geneva, 19 – 30 June 2017, it was provisionally agreed to use EVMRMS (RMS of Error Vector Magnitude), corrected for the effects of I-Q offset, and a separate limit for corrected I-Q offset as metrics for the quality of the transmitter. There was also agreement that the results from testing of I-Q imbalance and Quadrature Error were not sufficiently consistent to justify their removal from the EVMRMS metric or the introduction of these parameters as additional metrics for the quality of the transmitter.


It seems to say that the inconsistency has caused the parameters to neither be accepted nor rejected.  Does that mean they remain provisional? 





From: John D'Ambrosia [mailto:jdambrosia@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 8:31 PM
To: STDS-802-3-B10K@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [802.3_B10K] Liaison for Consideration - ITU-T


Dear Study Group Participants,

In response to the liaison sent out of the July Plenary, the ITU-T has responded with the following -


I spoke with our WG Chair, Mr. Law, who has asked our Study Group to consider this liaison at the Nov Plenary. 




John D’Ambrosia

Chair, IEEE 802.3 Beyond 10km Optical PHYs Study Group