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Re: [802.3_NGEPON] ONU ASIC and wavelength plans



Barry,

 

While it is simple on paper, the number of supported data rate combinations would be staggering and that will translate into silicon complexity, which I imagine will not be simple slam dank to begin with. We need analysis of the impact it will have because I do not see another way to settle this

 

Marek

 

From: Barry Colella [mailto:barry.colella@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 4:42 PM
To: STDS-802-3-NGEPON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_NGEPON] ONU ASIC and wavelength plans

 

I agree that tunable and DWDM is costly.  However, I’m not advocating tunable optics as a requirement.

 

My original point was that, although I agree with most of Glen’s presentation from last Thursday, I was thinking that only having 25G ONU on a single wavelength was a drawback in a 100G capable PON.  I suggested that we design the standard so that we can accommodate both fixed and tunable as a way to overcome this if possible given the lack of support (understandable) for different fixed wavelength 25G ONU.  I agree with Ed that the second, third fourth channel is where we can start adding the cost and this is where a tunable may make sense.  Of course the cost of a tunable must not exceed 2x the cost of a non-tunable.

 

If the goal is to just provide a lot of inflexible cheap incremental bandwidth (not a bad goal) than we can declare that all ONU will use 4 CWDM channels in the O band and be done with the discussion.

 

From: Harstead, Ed (Nokia - US) [mailto:ed.harstead@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:06 PM
To: STDS-802-3-NGEPON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_NGEPON] ONU ASIC and wavelength plans

 

Absolutely.  A gen-1 25 Gb/s single-lane EPON should provide 2.5x more bandwidth than 10G EPON at less than 2.5x the cost.  That won’t happen if you toss in a tunable laser (and tunable receiver filter) in the ONU, and put wavelengths on a DWDM grid.  Let’s defer that cost and complexity to the 2nd lane.

 

Ed

 

From: EXT Glen Kramer [mailto:glen.kramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:14 PM
To: STDS-802-3-NGEPON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_NGEPON] ONU ASIC and wavelength plans

 

Somehow, just because the end target is 100G-EPON, people think that we need to utilize the 100G EPON capacity from day one. And if we don’t have 100G ONUs at day one, then we have to fill this capacity with 25G ONUs.

This is not what we set to do. The generation 1 is a single-lane EPON. Yes, starting with tunable optics and utilizing 4 lanes will provide 4x of sustained throughput per ONU. But that would be at more than 4x the cost.

 

According to my latest market data, the cost of tunable ONU optics today is ~9x that of 10G/10G-EPON ONU optics. Projections out to 2020 show it to drop to 3.5x the cost of 10/10 ONU  optics, which is still very high.

Is this not why after completing NG-PON2 standard, SG15 shifted focus to XGS-PON that uses a fixed single wavelength 10/10 optics?

 

If the same cost ratio between tunable and fixed optics remains for the 25G tunable and 25G fixed, then the cost of 50G ONUs will likely be lower than tunable 25G ONUs. A 50G ONU obviously can burst at 50Gb/s peak rate, but additionally can operate as a 25G ONU on either of the channels, or even can operate as two independent 25G ONUs. So, we may spend time and efforts developing the first generation based on tunable optics, but then why wouldn’t operators just skip gen 1 and go directly to 50G ONUs with 2 fixed channels?

 

Glen

 

 

From: Francois Menard [mailto:fmenard@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:02 AM
To: STDS-802-3-NGEPON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_NGEPON] ONU ASIC and wavelength plans

 

Marek,

 

Here is what I understand so far:

 

Per what  Glen has presented:  The OLT starts with a Gen 1 transceiver, which is stuck at 25 Gbps until it is replaced with a Gen 2 at 50 Gbps.  Only the OLT transceiver is replaced with a Gen 3 transceiver, would it then become possible to add 100 Gbps ONUs on the PON.    With a Gen 1 OLT transceiver on the PON, 100 Gbps ONUs would be limited to 25 Gbps. 

 

However, in NG-PON2, the use of an external WM allows for different OLT ports (or different OLT’s) to be the source of the additional instances of 10 Gbps channel (up to 8 from 8 different line cards or OLT shelves is allowed).  Therefore this allows pay as you grow, in service, with no downtime without requirement of retiring out OLT transceivers.  Is this a benefit or a pain in the rear end for operators ?  Benefits allow for greater reliability, pay as you grow from cheaper 10 Gbps fixed XFPs/SFP+ with burst mode receivers.   Pain in the butt means dealing with the WM and increased footprint.  

 

With regards to the benefits of being able to get a 25 Gbps Tunable Tx / Tunable Rx ONU  to roam across channels, here are the benefits:

  1. Serviceability of the PON port.  If an ONU can move to another channel while the one that is down is being serviced, then everybody is happy.
  2. Enhanced average throughput on the PON at the expense of peak speed.  For instances, with 32 ONUs and 8 lambdas @ 25 Gbps, average throughput would be 25 Gbps / 4 = 6.25 Gbps rather than 25 Gbps / 32 = 0.78 Gbps, which is 8 times greater.  Perhaps this is not required for all applications, but as soon as you have mobile fronthaul, or business services on the PON, this capability becomes important.
  3. As soon as the tuning range at the ONU exceeds the number of users on the PON (and you have an equally sized multi-wavelength Comb laser + Rx Array in the OLT transceiver like what is being done in the OpenOptics MSA), then it becomes possible to turn off burst mode operation both for transmission on the ONU as well as for reception in the OLT.  You’re now doing WDM-PON on power splitters.   Each user gets a dedicated channel.  This is where we want to go in the end with all of this.  
  4. Achieving greater 4 times the throughput of the maximum line rate of a single channel, is all about packaging the cost structure of 4 tunable ONUs in one ONU and to have the MAC and ASIC to deal with the  four transceivers.   It is perfectly possible to imagine the OLT transceiver would support 32 channels and that an ONU would only be able  to bond 4 channels.  Then the question becomes which 4 channels to bond in a pool of 32.   If the ONU is not tunable, then you are not able to take advantage of assigning different bonded channels to different ONUs.

-=Francois=-

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