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Re: [802.3_NGEPON] Upstream Wavelength Plan

Would this arrangement then be more acceptable? While I do understand that some operators might be more interested in asymmetric systems, at the same time, 10G system side is more forgiving in terms of transmission penalties, so both 25G channels should be as close to each other as possible to make them present as similar penalties as possible to simplify the design of 2x25G optics.




From: Liudekun [mailto:liudekun@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 3:16 AM
To: Marek Hajduczenia <mxhajduczenia@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-3-NGEPON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Harstead, Ed (Nokia - US) <ed.harstead@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [802.3_NGEPON] Upstream Wavelength Plan



Just a comment on “We have enough spectrum to optionally allow WDM coexistence between 25G and 10G systems


I don’t think we have ample spectrum which we allow we allocate the wavelength plan casually.

All the wavelength we discussed here are low dispersion O-band, they are very precious spectrum for high speed PONs, including the even higher speed PON systems.


The low dispersion band is very limited, we should use them in an efficient way.

The asymmetric ONUs are always the major volume, so a symmetric OLT are often required to support the asymmetric ONUs ( maybe some operators don’t care 25/10, but there are definitely some other operators quite interesting on 25/10),  it will be a big waste to allocate a different wavelength band for asymmetric systems.



To Ed:

I am interesting on the upstream wavelength plan, so please add me in to the discussion email list. Thanks.



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From: Marek Hajduczenia [mailto:mxhajduczenia@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 5:13 AM
To: STDS-802-3-NGEPON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_NGEPON] Upstream Wavelength Plan


That might James' opinion. I do not share it. We have enough spectrum to optionally allow WDM coexistence between 25G and 10G systems. 


At the end of the day, I personally do not care about new 10G upstream, but only about making both 25G channels equally challenging and limit their dispersion penalty. I do know though that the optional ability to do 10G and 1G upstream separation in today's system is a saving grace in many deployments where these systems are overlapped on the same fiber strand. I do not see any advance of doing the overlap if we can have some separation between these systems





On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 2:08 PM, John Johnson <john.johnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



zhang_dezhi_3ca_2a_1117 proposed the principal that different rates in the same PON generation should share spectrum by TDM.  I think that this principal should apply to 25G and 10G (using 25G protocol) upstream.

Ed, please add me to your list.


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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Marek Hajduczenia <mxhajduczenia@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ed et al.,


Here are two versions of what I was suggesting, depending on how we want to stack red 25/10G options


Please include me in the discussion chain.






From: Harstead, Ed (Nokia - US) [mailto:ed.harstead@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 12:48 PM
To: STDS-802-3-NGEPON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [802.3_NGEPON] Upstream Wavelength Plan




Per the discussion on todays call: For anyone interested in joining the small group working to achieve consensus on the upstream wavelength plan, please send me an email.




From: Curtis Knittle [mailto:C.Knittle@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 4:09 PM
To: STDS-802-3-NGEPON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [802.3_NGEPON] 1/4/18 IEEE 802.3ca (100G-EPON) consensus building meeting agenda



Dear Colleagues,


We have two contributions for consensus-building meeting on January 4, 2018:


  1. Upstream Wavelength Plan - Ed Harstead
  2. Upstream Burst Structure Marek Hajduczenia


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