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Re: [802.3_10SPE] PLCA beacon & TSN shapers

802.1AS time runs independent of the 802.3 timestamps. Those timestamps help us measure elapsed time of the local clock related to elapsed time of the 802.1AS clock. Often times that “local clock” happens to be directly related to the Ethernet bit time clock since they run off the same 25MHz (Fast Ethernet) or 125MHz (Gigabit) crystal.


However, if the 802.1AS Grand Master is not on the same network segment you will find that it runs at a rate that is not a direct ratio to the local 25/125MHz crystal.


It looks like a more focused 802.3cg PLCA + TSSI vs 802.1AS timing presentation may be useful in the near future.


I always believe that anything can be solved if we just have enough time to think about it.


-          Craig


From: George Zimmerman [mailto:george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:38 AM
To: STDS-802-3-10SPE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [802.3_10SPE] PLCA beacon & TSN shapers


Craig -

Thank you for following up and thinking about this, and thank you for the excellent presentation.  We all learn from each other, and your contribution helped.

Regarding 802.3as time – isn’t it directly linked to the bit time clock?  If so, so is the beacon.

However, it was my understanding that the timing information was inserted by the TSSI (defined in 802.3-2015 Clause 90), which David showed would work for normal CSMA/CD.

We might benefit from a look at the compatibility of the TSSI with the proposal adopted, and any adjustments that might be needed.

Again, thank you,



George A. Zimmerman, Ph.D.

Chair, IEEE P802.3cg 10Mbps Single Pair Ethernet Task Force

President & Principal Consultant

CME Consulting, Inc.

Experts in PHYsical Layer Communications




From: Gunther, Craig [mailto:craig.gunther@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 9:11 AM
To: STDS-802-3-10SPE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [802.3_10SPE] PLCA beacon & TSN shapers




What a great meeting we had last week. I learned a lot.


Over the last couple of days I’ve been thinking about running TSN shapers on top of the new PLCA proposal (by the way, what are we going to call it? I need an acronym). Many of the TSN shapers, policers, and other capabilities are synchronized to the 802.1AS clock; this is how they provide the “guarantees” they can across multiple media types.


On Thursday we learned about the Beacon concept in the new PLCA proposal. My concern is that if that Beacon is completely unrelated to the 802.1AS time we could have a very difficult time trying to run any TSN features that are tied to the 802.1AS clock on top of PLCA. I’m not saying it can’t be done, but I am saying it is something we will need to study and understand the impact. In an ideal world we could sync the Beacon with 802.1AS time. Doing it the other way around would prove to be a bit of a challenge from the TSN side.


Again, thanks to all for a great meeting. It was certainly an eye opener for an 802.3 virgin like myself.


-          Craig






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