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RE: [EFM] EFM Requirements


I get the maximum margin by utilizing only existing copper architectures
found out in the field by using unloaded and unbundled pairs from the ILEC.
The current solution we are using is from 6Mbs to 256Kbs at 21Kft on 'dirty
copper' with bridge taps / gauge changes.  I am financing DSL with revenues
from a large tri-state dial-in base.

Understand, though, that our coverage is in the rural United States, not
metropolitan areas of high-density.  Our business model is comprised of
approx 100 communities of 50K and below across three states.

The only player that can afford the capital for fiber build out in our part
of the rural America are cable TV monopolies that are building a DTV/Cable
Modem/Voice solution and can utilize the guaranteed revenue of a cable
franchise to fund fiber ventures.  

I am curious to also hear from urban DSL (ILEC, DSLAM, etc) providers as to
the strategic financial viability of the proposed 802.3 / EFM proposed loop
distance.  I am only expressing opions from my part of the world.


-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Hvostov [mailto:HHvostov@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 6:02 PM
To: 'Frank Miller'; 'Vladimir Oksman'
Cc: 'Hugh Barrass'; Lough, Andy; Sherman Ackley; Stds-802-3-Efm (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [EFM] EFM Requirements


Great thoughts. How much fiber do you plan to drop in the "first mile"? Also
what is your transceiver budget? In the case of high split ratios the longer
and faster and the more splits the more expensive the solution.

Any ideas on the numbers?


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Miller [mailto:frank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:18 PM
To: 'Vladimir Oksman'; Frank Miller
Cc: 'Hugh Barrass'; Lough, Andy; Sherman Ackley; Stds-802-3-Efm (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [EFM] EFM Requirements

Howdy Vladimir,

My experience is from the US telephony industry as a CIO for a large
tri-state ISP.

If the target market for the technology is the provider (ILEC, CLEC, ISP),
why not start
with a set of engineering requirements that provide a reasonable business
model.  I do not
see the capital and market for any large fiber build out with copper for the
last mile only, nor
with a EFM solution that only hits 4.5KFt.

First, the valuation of fiber has drastically reduced (in proportion to
increase in bandwidth capacity).  Companies whom have banked on building
fiber WAN/MAN networks are not where I'd
bank my investment capital. Second, companies with current traditional xDSL
technologies (Northpoint, etc) have not been able to build a working
business model with current engineering requirements.

The only companies that will be left standing to provision DSL will be the
ILEC's, but their business
is tightly controlled by various federal and state regulatory agencies.  In
the state of Oregon, the ILEC required $70M of state capital infusion in
order to even justify DSLAM's in rural communities.

In this financial market, it makes business sense to start with a set of
engineering requirements
that reflect the reality of the current and future telecommunication market.
I need a technology that
I can stay profitable with .. I need reach. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vladimir Oksman [mailto:oksman@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:00 PM
> To: Frank Miller
> Cc: 'Hugh Barrass'; Lough, Andy; Sherman Ackley; 
> Stds-802-3-Efm (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [EFM] EFM Requirements
> Frank,
>      I would like to remind that EFM = Ethernet in the First 
> Mile, but not in
> first 10 miles. To cover 10 miles it is probably assumed a 
> fiber for the first
> 9.5 miles and some copper tail after. That's why PON is the 
> major topic in EFM
> group as well.
> Vladimir.