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RE: [EFM] Revisiting EFM vs ELM Names




Guys,

I'm not sure this issue deserved such an impressive comeback...

However, I'm with you. Whatever you think is best for the free world.
Just show me where to sign :-)

Victor



-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Tolley [mailto:btolley@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:25 AM
To: Jack Andresen; John Pickens
Cc: Victor Vaisleib; Bruce Tolley; stds-802-3-efm@ieee.org
Subject: Re: [EFM] Revisiting EFM vs ELM Names


This is revisiting an old email chain.

My 2 cents

The network operators are the customers sign who the POs and they are used
to the terms last mile, local loop, etc.

Howard asked us before to end the debate since the SG voted to adopt EFM.

I have learned to live with "first mile."

Bruce


At 03:15 PM 10/2/01 -0700, Jack Andresen wrote:
>I believe that EFM is inspired. The last mile is supplier centric, while
>first mile is user centric. Who ever came up with EFM is a genius!
>
>Jack Andresen
>_______________________________________
>John Pickens wrote:
> >
> > An alternate view (defending EFM):
> >
> > "The problem we are addressing is industry-wide known as THE FIRST MILE
> > PROBLEM.  It has certain inner logic, too:  it is the FIRST fortress
> > blocking wideband access from today's homes/businesses.
> >
> > At 11:06 PM 3/30/01 +0200, Victor Vaisleib wrote:
> >
> > >Bruce,
> > >
> > >I'm glad you brought that up.
> > >
> > >Personally, I never liked the "first mile" twist. Imagine 802.11 would
> > >become worried about the negative implications of the word "wireless",
and
> > >named itself something like: the WG for Untangled LAN Standards...
> > >
> > >The problem we are addressing is industry-wide known as THE LAST MILE
> > >PROBLEM. It has certain inner logic, too: it is the LAST fortess of a
> > >century-old infrastructure in today's network.
> > >
> > >ELM sounds great to me.
> > >
> > >Victor Vaisleib
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Bruce Tolley <btolley@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <stds-802-3-efm@ieee.org>
> > >Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 7:23 PM
> > >Subject: Revisiting EFM vs ELM Names
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Colleagues:
> > > >
> > > > I am having difficulty explaining to customers and financial
> analysts and
> > > > market analysts the name of our study group.
> > > >
> > > > The customers we will be selling EFM solutions to are telcos, SPs,
> RBOCs,
> > > > and other access providers like power companies and PUDs. All these
> folks
> > > > would use EFM techologies to build out the distribution network
> from the
> > >CO
> > > > or POP to the single family residences, to MXUs, to the curb, to the
> > > > business, etc.  They all think in terms of "last mile."
> > > >
> > > > I cannot see much upside to the "first mile" name. When I do
> briefings I'd
> > > > prefer to get to the work of the SG and the merits of Ethernet in
> the last
> > > > mile over copper and fiber and not waste time explaining a name that
is
> > > > confusing to the audience.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Bruce