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RE: [EFM] Re: OAM Transport Proposal


If item 3 is correct, then OAMiF can be used to manage "full duplex 
repeaters" because of the ability to evaluate the contents of the OAM Frame 
for the contents of the MCC.  The MCC can be used as an embedded overhead 
channel (EOC).  That will allow MAC addressing of the repeater management 
port through the EOC, or the use of HDLC, which is currently standard in 
the industry.

Thank you,
Roy Bynum

At 05:54 PM 4/24/2002 -0400, Matt Squire wrote:

>We've had many threads on repeaters, media converters, regenerators, and
>the like throughout the evolution of this work.  The following are my
>recollections as reported by others (Geoff, Tony, etc.).  Pls correct
>anything I misrepresent.
>1) 802.3 defines half-duplex repeaters.
>2) 802.3 does not define full-duplex repeaters.
>3) What some people commonly refer to as full duplex repeaters are
>actually 2-port MAC frame forwarders (802.1D relays?).
>4) 802.3 does not define optical regenerators (ie protocol agnostic
>signal regeneration).
>5) 802.3 does not define media converters.
>Since using the preamble to carry signaling is intended as a full-duplex
>function only, I short-cut to the conclusion that preamble has no
>applicability to any repeater, regenerator, or media converter as
>defined by 802.3.  Before we could figure out how to address this
>full-duplex repeater function that does not exist in 802.3, it would
>have to be properly defined.  Thats all I was getting at.
>People are concerned, people are thinking about it, but it has been
>difficult to address because of the terminology confusion and our
>- Matt
> >
> >Hi Matt and all,
> >
> >I will address only the issues related to 5) Regenerators and
> >converters.
> >First of all I want to assume that we consider all the 802.3
> >interfaces,
> >including 100 Mbps and GbE.
> >
> >802,3 defines the above entities. Look at 27. Repeater for 100
> >Mbps baseband
> >networks.
> >The devices that we address are two port full duplex repeaters.
> >Also 802.3ab makes extensive references to repeater implementations.
> >
> >And again, the moment that we defined any preamble based
> >capability - see
> >page 9
> >of the baseline presentation - we decided to make the
> >appropraite changes
> >for preamble
> >support.
> >
> >I also had some questions, regarding packet based functionality.
> >This functionality I assume is not fully contained in the new
> >MAC (like the
> >packet based
> >flow control functionality). It requires an external processing unit
> >(CPU+MAC, HW, or whatever).
> >What is the level of service in the case of a busy link (even
> >malfunctioning
> >due to a broadcast
> >storm, etc.)? Do we lose the management capacity for some time?
> >Wouldn't an out-of-band mechanism (like preamble) be valuable
> >in order to
> >provide even the
> >basic management information as defined in the suzuki proposal?
> >
> >I still think that the compromise should be a functional
> >compromise, that
> >provide the
> >best of the two worlds meaning that the capabilities
> >negotiations should
> >include four
> >options, and should be done also at the lowest level...
> >
> >Sergiu
> >
> >