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Re: [EFM] AW: HEADLINE: Oscar Wilde resolves EFM PON timingissues!!!

Frank, Tom and all,

There has been a lot of email around the timing issues and I thought to throw my 2c in here as well....

On the issue of the actual timing values....
Personally, I would be willing to live with whatever number, set of numbers or compromise that the group agrees on. I did vote on option D though because I havent seen enough data from the PMD vendors that says option A is both technicall and economically feasable in our timeframe. I have seen a lot of data that syas option A yields an improvement in efficiency.

It would be useful if the vendors that are making the slower PMDs, faster ones w/ reset and faster ones w/o reset can comment on the feasability and relative cost impact of changing the design.

On the issue of moving forward....
Howard has sent out the result of the vote. I dont want to debate which is stronger and by how much. Rather, I want to point out the number of abstains in the vote. To me this means that people either (a) dotn care about this issue at all or (b) are still confused/undecided.

I am hoping its the later. Hopefully the ongoing discssions can help change that

my 2c

Geoff Thompson wrote:


Be careful here. You are confusing two concepts.

1. Consensus

2. 75% Approval

Consensus is a soft threshold that means by dictionary means:
   1. An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole: "Among political women... there is a clear consensus about the problems women candidates have traditionally faced" (Wendy Kaminer).
   2. General agreement or accord: government by consensus.
Main Entry: con·sen·sus
Pronunciation: k&n-'sen(t)-s&s
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Latin, from consentire
Date: 1858
1 a : general agreement : UNANIMITY <the consensus of their opinion, based on reports... from the border -- John Hersey> b : the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned <the consensus was to go ahead>
2 : group solidarity in sentiment and belief
usage The phrase consensus of opinion, which is not actually redundant (see sense 1a; the sense that takes the phrase is slightly older), has been so often claimed to be a redundancy that many writers avoid it. You are safe in using consensus alone when it is clear you mean consensus of opinion, and most writers in fact do so.

Achieving the required approval threshold and achieving consensus are two entirely different things. If all you do is achieve your vote threshold without achieving consensus you will have (1) an unhappy balloting process (2) a standard that doesn't have broad buy-in. Just getting a standard approved does not guarantee success.


At 09:59 AM 11/21/2002 -0800, Vipul Bhatt wrote:

The voting count is documented in slides 16 and 17 of
bhatt_optics_1_1102.pdf at:

The results speak for themselves. By definition, whenever we reach
75% consensus on a decision, that will be the right decision. I
think our best hope of getting there is to keep trading more
information about various options. I appreciate Tom's initiative of
starting this thread, and I am also looking forward to hearing
Frank's contribution in Vancouver.


ps: I took the liberty of pruning the email list of this thread.


Thomas Murphy wrote:
> Frank,
> I agree with your assessment that the people on the e-mail
> list have a "Option-A" view. However, at the meeting the voting
> pointed differently.  I am trying to remain neutral on this issue
> but someone please back me up on the way the voting went.