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RE: Presentations for 802.3af

Excellent point.
I wish I could be there to fully evaluate all of the presentations.
Have fun.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Moore [mailto:pamoore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:42 AM
To: DOVE,DANIEL J (HP-Roseville,ex1)
Cc: DTE Power
Subject: RE: Presentations for 802.3af


I was kind of intrigued by your observation about the "simple resistor
detection scheme" below. I believe research is showing that due to variation
in cables, board construction, manufacturing methods,
time/temperature/tolerancing variations, etc. that the "simple resistor" is
really a range of resistances that need to be detected. This results in the
need for a relatively sophisticated discovery circuitry such as the
microprocessor and A/D being used on the current prototype. Interesting
issues around this then arise such as conducted noise from the
microprocessor resulting in radiated noise on the cable, susceptibility to
radiated noise picked up by the cable, what happens during ESD discharges,
etc. Interestingly enough, Rick's tests show the resistor detection
prototype to be noisier than the diode detection prototype for radiated
noise. I'm really interested to see how many more counter-intuitive results
are presented in Tampa. Sorry you can't be there to enjoy the sunny (we
hope) weather. 


Paul B. Moore 

Hardware Engineering Manager 

Small Business Solutions - Santa Clara 

Nortel Networks 

4401 Great America Parkway 

PO Box 58185, MS SC05-02 

Santa Clara, CA 95052-8185 

Phone: 408-495-2466 

FAX: 408-495-5615 

At 08:56 AM 11/2/2000 -0800, DOVE,DANIEL J (HP-Roseville,ex1) wrote: 


>Hi Steve, 


>I have some good news and some bad news. I will let the group 

>decide which is which. 


>Unfortunately, my current job responsibilities are going to keep 

>me tied up so tightly that I can not make the Tampa meeting. I 

>already reserved a room and thus might be able to transfer that 

>reservation to someone else if they are in need. It would have to 

>be a first-come-first-served basis though to prevent any appearance 

>of favoritism. :) 


>While I originally proposed the diode-detection method of discovery, 

>I have come to appreciate the simplicity and low-impact aspects of 

>Bob Leonowich's simple resistor detection scheme. I truly appreciate 

>all of the effort put on by Rick Brooks and Robert Muir to develop a 

>robust and cost effective diode-based detection method, but right now 

>I lean to the resistive detection method. 


>I hope that mid-span survives my absense as I know that there are others 

>in the committee who find it the most cost-effective way for customers 

>to apply power to their existing networks without involving a forklift. 


>I hope I can make the next meeting. Have fun folks! 




>Dan Dove 


>PS: let the race for the room begin! 

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