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Re: detecting a PD disconnection event




In case anyone will argue that detecting a minimum current to show
connection in a LAN is patentable, we can always point to the 802.5
standard.  The detection mechanism is more complex there.  However, a subset
of what is done within the .5 standard is to make sure the phantom current
is greater than a minimum set value.

Best  Regards,

Robert D. Love
Chair, Resilient Packet Ring Alliance
President, LAN Connect Consultants
Phone: 919 848-6773,  Fax 720 222-0900
email: rdlove@ieee.org,  Mobile: 919 810-7816
----- Original Message -----
From: Bachand, Jerry <gbachand@avaya.com>
To: 'Rick Brooks' <ribrooks@nortelnetworks.com>; Barry Male
<male@mail-nh.eng.utr.ti.com>
Cc: <stds-802-3-pwrviamdi@ieee.org>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: detecting a PD disconnection event


>
> Rick and group,
>
> I still prefer 1a.
> Since detecting a minimum current is such a basic and obvious means to
> detect a disconnect, I don't think anyone could even think of suing.  (Not
> even Lucent or Avaya.)  ;-)
>
> This means of detecting a disconnect has been in use for over 100yrs by
> telephone companies, worldwide, to detect the telephone on-hook condition.
>
> However, I have no problem with other means, as you mentioned, as long as
> the minimum current method can still be used.
>
> Please keep in mind, eventually there will be many other devices powered
by
> the Ethernet, simple might give us more flexibility in the future.
>
> Regards
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> Gerard E. (Jerry) Bachand
> Avaya Inc.
> 300 Baker Avenue, Suite 100
> Concord, MA 01742
>
> (978) 318-6402  Voice
> (978) 318-6402  Fax
>
> <gbachand@avaya.com>
>
> Formerly: Enterprise Networks Group
>  ("Cajun" LAN Systems)
> of Lucent Technologies
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Brooks [mailto:ribrooks@nortelnetworks.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:40 PM
> To: Barry Male
> Cc: stds-802-3-pwrviamdi@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: detecting a PD disconnection event
>
>
>
> Barry,
> 1a) was all of our favorites until Geoff's recent email regarding a patent
> issue.
>
> It may turn out that other methods are more cost effective when considered
> globally.
> My proposal is that more than one method could be used, not just the one
> that we have been assuming.
> My view is that we must at least consider alternative methods that do not
> use DC current sensing.
>
> thanks,
> - Rick
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Barry Male [SMTP:male@mail-nh.eng.utr.ti.com]
> Sent:   Friday, April 27, 2001 10:29 AM
> To:     Brooks, Rick [SC5:321:EXCH]
> Cc:     stds-802-3-pwrviamdi@ieee.org
> Subject:        Re: detecting a PD disconnection event
>
>
> Rick,
>
> My preference is 1a.
>
> Have the PSE disconnect if the AVERAGE value of load current is less
> than
> 10mA for a sample period of some time (say 100mSec)
>
> This averaging produces a robust detection method from the
> standpoint of
> system noise.
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
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>
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Rick Brooks wrote:
>
> > Just to start up another discussion, I wanted to find out how many
> people
> > would support
> > the following concept for detecting when a PD receiving power becomes
> > disconnected.
> >
> > the concept:
> > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> >
> > 1) The PSE is responsible for detecting when a PD receiving DTE power
> > becomes disconnected.
> > If that event occurs, the PSE must turn off the power within some time
> frame
> > (100ms to 500ms ballpark?)
> >
> > 2) The PSE may use any of the following methods to detect this PD
> disconnect
> > event.
> >
> >       a) the DC load current drop below "X" ma (10ma?)
> >
> >       b) the ethernet link has dropped out
> >
> >       c) another proven method (pending discussion and feasibility
proof)
> >               some suggestions:
> >               1) the AC probing circuit detects when the AC load changes
> > (opens)
> >               2) the PD modulation heartbeat current ceases
> >               3) the PD response to a given PSE code is wrong or absent
> >               4) other ideas
> >
> > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> >
> >
> > Please voice your opinions on this concept.
> > The motivation here is to lower the cost of delivering DTE power.
> >
> > thanks,
> > - Rick
> >
> >
>