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Re: [RE] Rev1 of my 1st presention at May meeting is in ResE area



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The ATSC standard (see http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_53c_amend-1_corr-1.pdf, Table A3) does show 1080, but only for up to 30 (progressive) frames per second, or 60 (interlaced) fields per second. 1080p24 and 1080p30 are supported, but 1080p60 is not. Some CE video standards likewise only specify up to 1080p30, although several weeks ago a proposal was made to modify atleast one of those standards to add 1080p60 support (useful for STBs that can deinterlace 1080i60 to 1080p60). I am less familiar with HD cameras, but I believe most likewise top out at 720p60 or 1080p30. Note that a vast majority of Hollywood is 1080p24.
 
As for bitrates, Table A2 of A/53c simply notes that terrestial can carry up to "19.4 Mbps" per channel (8-VSB Modulation), and cable up to "38.4 Mbps" per channel (QAM Modulation). It is left as an exercise to the broadcaster to wedge as much SD/ED/HD/PSIP/MPEG2/MPEG4 data into that pipe as they can, although in practice good HD is encoded around 15-18 Mbps so that it can flow over both terrestrial and cable systems.
 
Not sure if you are considering this, but D-VHS is the current consumer-champ for A/V bitrate, with support of 720p60/1080i60 up to 28.2Mbps. Around the corner will be BluRay and HD-DVD which should support even higher bitrates.  Despite the higher possible bitrates, the general expectation is that MPEG-4 Part 10 [optionally Amendment 1] will permit visually lossless compression at bitrates well below the maximum of BluRay.
 
Thomas Gilg
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Subject: Re: [RE] Rev1 of my 1st presention at May meeting is in ResE area

Geoff:
The correction is noted however the 1.48 Gb/s rate is the HD capture rate at 1920 X 1080 resolution.  The ATSC HD specs (Annex A) allow for a further compression down to 19.4 Mb/s for 1080i (interlaced) formats which are 30 fps.  Today most outlets are indeed further compressing this bit rate down to as low as 8 Mbs but they assume that the customer does not have a display that has concurrent resolution capability.  I get my HDTV out of the air and have an LCD flat panel 1280 X 768 and I can see the degradation when the signal is further reduced, especially when there is much motion in the content.
What is not well known outside of the industry, is that the ATSC spec also allows for a 1080p (progressive) which is 60 fps. and therefore spec'd at 38.8 M.  1080p was the buzzword at the recent NAB show and will become fruit for discussion if not reality within the next two years.  60 fps is a killer for wireless LAN due to the specified 802.XX frame error rates, and I have had this confirmed by several large RBOCs.  
One more reason for Res Enet.
John/Jim, any further comments?
Regards and Happy Father's day to all fathers,
Richard

Geoffrey M. Garner wrote:
During my first presentation at the May meeting (Description of ResE Video Applications and Requirements), I identified
several typos (the most glaring of which was the indication of HDTV rates as Mbit/s rather than Gbit/s).  A revision is now
in the ResE public area (thank you to Mike Teener for posting it); the link is:
 
 
Geoff
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Geoffrey M. Garner
Samsung (Consultant)