Re: suggested changes to 802 tutorial procedures
Geoff, as is often the case, you have made another good well thought out
point. Thanks for the insight.
Best regards.
Robert D. Love
Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
IBM
500 Park Offices Phone: 919 543-2746
P. O. Box 12195 CNPA/656 Fax: 419 715-0359
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA E-Mail: rdlove@us.ibm.com
"Geoff Thompson" <gthompso@nortelnetworks.com>@ieee.org on 03/01/2000
01:12:30 PM
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Subject: Re: suggested changes to 802 tutorial procedures
Bob-
I'm for a higher level of verbal interaction between folks proposing a
presentation and a "sponsoring member of the Exec". If someone in the
outside world can't get an 802 member to take up the cause of nursing him
through the system then it probably shouldn't be a tutorial.
In general I think it is a bad idea (invited talks are an exception of
course) for someone who is not a member of 802 to come and lecture us
during their first meeting of attendance. Once they have been here for a
meeting and seen the lay of the land they are (1) a member/observer of 802
and (2) hopefully no longer in the Clueless family.
My basic point in having the form available to the chair rather than the
presenter is that the chair will be guaranteed a higher level of knowledge
and therefore be better prepared to take responsibility for offering the
forum than if he justs signs off a form that someone else has filled out.
This is not the equivalent of a copy request form.
Geoff
At 08:23 AM 3/1/00 -0500, rdlove@us.ibm.com wrote:
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>Geoff, I concur with your sentiment, but not your proposed procedures. I
>would advocate a form on the web, to get J. Random Clueless started. I
>would ask Jay to submit that form to his working group chair if he is an
>802 participant, or to the 802 chair or some other SEC member if he is
not.
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>Best regards.
>
>Robert D. Love
>Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
>Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
>IBM
>500 Park Offices Phone: 919 543-2746
>P. O. Box 12195 CNPA/656 Fax: 419 715-0359
>Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA E-Mail: rdlove@us.ibm.com
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>"Geoff Thompson" <gthompso@nortelnetworks.com>@ieee.org on 02/29/2000
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>To: "Roger B. Marks" <marks@boulder.nist.gov>
>cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>Subject: Re: suggested changes to 802 tutorial procedures
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>Roger-
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>My opinion.
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>I really don't like any of this. It changes the gate keeper from the
>members of the Exec to the Chair of 802. The Exec is certainly a small
>enough group that we ought to be able to do filtering and assignment
>without an elaborate set of written rules.
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>The form should NOT be on the web. The form, if we must have it, is for
the
>use of WG chairs rather than the use of J. Random Clueless who wishes to
>advertise in front of 802.
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>Geoff
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>At 10:58 PM 2/28/00 -0700, Roger B. Marks wrote:
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>>I've expressed to Jim my concern about the 802 tutorial procedures.
>>While the Chair's Guidelines present a good description of an
>>appropriate tutorial, there are no real procedures to ensure that
>>tutorials are not overly commercial or to inform other working groups
>>regarding potential overlap of interests. There has also been poor
>>advance notification of the tutorials and their schedules.
>>
>>Jim asked me to make some suggestions. I suggest the following:
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>>(1) Put the "IEEE 802 LMSC OFFICIAL TUTORIAL REQUEST FORM" on the
>>web. Few people know about this form, and it is hard to track down.
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>>(2) Include on the form a reference to and link to the "802 Chair's
>>Guidelines on IEEE 802 Tutorials"
>><http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/tutorial.pdf> so that proposers
>>get help understanding the rules.
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>>(3) Add the following question (taken from the Chair's Guidelines) to
>>the tutorial request form:
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>>Purpose of Tutorial (choose one and explain):
>>(a) Explore possible new directions for 802 efforts
>>(b) Summarize ongoing major work of Study Group or WG or TAG.
>>(c) Describe basic 802 or other standards process.
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>>(4) Change the approval process, which currently leaves the SEC
>>members in the dark until Dawn issues an agenda. I suggest changing
>>the relevant section of the Chair's Guidelines from:
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>>>Mechanics of Tutorials:
>>>- Hosted by SEC member or Study Group Chair.
>>>- Announced to SEC reflector before meeting.
>>>- Scheduled through Classic Consulting/Buzz Rigsbee
>>>- Conflicts to be resolved by Executive Secretary and SEC chair
>>>based on most importance to 802.
>>
>>to:
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>>>Mechanics of Tutorials:
>>>- Hosted by SEC member or Study Group Chair.
>>>- Tutorial Request Form posted to SEC reflector for comment.
>>>- No less than 7 days after posting, SEC Chair may affirm that
>>>proposed tutorial is appropriate and then schedule it.
>>>- Conflicts will be resolved by the SEC chair, but priority will
>>>generally be by order of request.
>>
>>I also suggest that the "APPROVAL AND CONFIRMATION" section of the
>>Tutorial Request Form be changed from:
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>>>6. APPROVAL AND CONFIRMATION:
>>>All official tutorial requests must sent to Dawn Williams at
>>>802info@ieee.org for final approval and confirmation with copies to
>>>Buzz Rigsbee everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com and to Jim Carlo
>>>jcarlo@ti.com . A confirmation of your request indicating time slot
>>>assigned will be sent within 10 days of your submission.
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>>to:
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>>>APPROVAL AND CONFIRMATION:
>>>Tutorial requests must be submitted by an SEC member or Study Group
>>>Chair to the SEC reflector. After not less than seven days for SEC
>>>reveiw, the SEC Chair may approve and schedule the meeting, with
>>>notification to the SEC reflector.
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>>(5) I suggest deleting the following section of the Chair's Guidelines:
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>>>DEADLINE DATE:
>>>All official tutorial request forms must be submitted at least 45
>>>days prior to the start of the next IEEE 802 LMSC Plenary Meeting.
>>>Please refer to the future meetings list on the IEEE 802 Web Site
>>>at: http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/meeting/
>>
>>No one pays attention to it anyway, and the first-come, first-serve
>>rule should stimulate earlier requests.
>>
>>
>>Roger
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