RE: Use of IEEE802ALL
Jim, Here's at least 3 good reasons (let me know if you need more):
* WG exploders are for WG info, 802ALL is for plenary info, and the summaries are definitely plenary info.
* WG e-mail lists have many overlaps with other WG email lists; many people would be getting multiple copies that way.
* Some WG chairs might forget, be on vacation, etc. causing their group to get the info late; with 802ALL everyone gets the notice at the same time with a lot less hassle to our already busy WG chairs because they don't need to send to their various e-mail lists.
Can we drop this now ??? It's getting exceedingly tedious !!! :-)
Thanx, Buzz
Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> From: Jim Carlo[SMTP:jcarlo@ti.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:15 AM
> To: Rigsbee, Everett O
> Cc: 802 Howard Frazier
> Subject: RE: Use of IEEE802ALL
> Why doesn't each WG chair circulate to his WG. If you send to all, and WG
> chairs send to their group, people will get two copies.
> Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
> TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
> Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
> Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
> From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 9:40 PM
> To: 802 J Carlo
> Cc: 802 Howard Frazier
> Subject: RE: Use of IEEE802ALL
> Jim, No, we told them that the 802ALL list would be used for delivery of
> "late-breaking plenary meeting information" for 802 Attendees,
> which is exactly what Howard's announcement is doing.
> There is NOT a problem here !!!
> Any complaints will come to me and I'll be happy to handle them.
> Anyone who is truly annoyed will unsubscribe himself.
> Now why do we need to send the message ? Well, the last time I
> checked very few people were walking around with a copy of our
> rules in their reminder books, and most folks tend to forget about
> things a week after getting back from a week's trip to wherever.
> What if Howard is super efficient and gets stuff posted on Monday?
> Should it just languish on our website all week since everyone knows
> to look on Friday? What if Howard has a problem and can't get it
> posted by Friday? Is everyone expected to re-check our site on a
> daily/hourly basis until it appears? I don't think so !!! Do either
> Dawn or I wish to answer all the phone calls and emails asking,
> "Where can I find the WG Summary Slides ???" I don't think so !!!
> Clearly the most efficient process is for Howard to post the slides as
> soon as they're ready and available (hopefully, before he has to complete
> all of the SEC minutes) and send one e-mail to alert all the 802 folks to
> their availability. How hard is that ???
> Thanx, Buzz
> Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > From: Jim Carlo[SMTP:jcarlo@ti.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 3:21 PM
> > To: Buzz Rigsbee
> > Subject: RE: Use of IEEE802ALL
> > Buzz, so you told people that IEEE-802-ALL is only used for administrative
> > issues on meeting arrangements? Our rules now say that minutes are posted by
> > the following Friday after the meeting date. So why is another reminder needed?
> > Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
> > TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
> > Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
> > Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
> > From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]On
> > Behalf Of Rigsbee, Everett O
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 5:18 PM>
> > To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org; 802 J Carlo
> > Subject: RE: Use of IEEE802ALL
> > Jim,
> > Au contraire, mon frere !!! No one is put on 802ALL automatically !!!
> > People subscribe themselves in response to our invitation in the cover
> > letter of the Meeting Announcement package which states the following:
> >
> > Note: We no longer provide mailed meeting announcements. Meeting
> > information will continue to be available on the IEEE 802 web site at:
> > http://www.ieee802.org/meeting/ . Please check it for possible late
> > updates. We also have an email exploder for keeping folks posted on late
> > breaking plenary meeting information (e.g. overflow hotel arrangement,
> hotel
> > goofs or confusions, pre-registration reminders, etc.). To get on this
> list
> > and stay informed, send email to: majordomo@majordomo.ieee.org with no
> > subject and with the following 2 lines appearing first in the body of the
> message:
> > subscribe stds-802-all
> > end
> >
> > That's the only way people get on our 802ALL list and I think the
> announcement
> > of the availability of the plenary WG summaries is exactly the type of
> information
> > that subscribers would want to receive. We could even add that to the
> list of
> > examples of messages, if you are seriously worried about offending
> someone.
> > A brief note with an URL is hardly an annoyance now a days. :-)
> > Thanx, Buzz
> > Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Boeing SSG
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> > email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > > From: Jim Carlo[SMTP:jcarlo@ti.com]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:12 AM
> > > To: IEEE802
> > > Subject: Use of IEEE802ALL
> > > In looking at the past emails, I believe that we have no guidelines for
> > use
> > > of the 802ALL reflector. Currently we use this reflector for the plenary
> > > meeting notice only. Since this reflector is an "automatic join"
> reflector
> > > (in other words, you are put on the reflector when you attend an 802
> > plenary
> > > meeting whether you want to or not), we should be cautious in use. On
> the
> > > other hand, we should disseminate information helpful to our membership.
> > We
> > > also need to make it easy to join/disjoin from this reflector, which I
> > > assume one can do.
> > > Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776
> Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
> > > TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
> > > Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
> > > Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
> > > From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:27 AM
> > > To: Jim Carlo
> > > Cc: Rigsbee, Everett O; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > > Subject: RE: URL of the Closing Plenary Information
> > > At 17:26 24/07/00 -0500, Jim Carlo wrote:
> > > >WG chairs can post what they want to their reflectors and Buzz makes a
> > good
> > > >suggestion. However, posting to 802ALL is not a good idea.
> > > Why? Seems to me that 802ALL was devised precisely for this kind of
> > purpose.
> > > Regards,
> > > Tony
> > >
> >
>