RE: [802SEC] Standards CD-ROM and MOTION
Jim,
The motion is plainly stated. There are no "double negatives" in it. The
motion simply states that some action (producing the CD-ROM) be
discontinued.
I ABSTAIN
-Bob O'Hara
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Howard
Frazier
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:10 PM
To: IEEE802
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Standards CD-ROM and MOTION
Jim Carlo wrote:
>
> Let's be careful on double negatives in motions - and whether one is for
or
> against. As soon as someone can send me a copy of what SEC motion was made
> last time (I cannot find this in my last clean-up), then I will make the
> motion. I will make it a positive motion ("Continue the CD Rom program")
so
> there will be no confusion.
>
> Jim Carlo (j.carlo@ieee.org) Cellular:1-214-693-1776
> Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
> TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
> Vice Chair, IEEE-SA Standards Board
> Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@jeffree.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:25 AM
> To: jcarlo@ti.com
> Cc: IEEE 802 EXEC-REFLECTOR
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] Standards CD-ROM and MOTION
>
> Jim -
>
> Looks like a motion is already on the floor.
>
> I vote AGAINST the motion.
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
> At 20:51 24/08/2001 -0500, Jim Carlo wrote:
>
> >Before I take a motion, is it possible for someone to locate the motion
> that
> >we (the SEC) made (it must have been several years ago) on the CD Roms. I
> >cannot find this easily.
> >
> >Jim Carlo (j.carlo@ieee.org) Cellular:1-214-693-1776
> >Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
> >TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
> >Vice Chair, IEEE-SA Standards Board
> >Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
> >[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Bob O'Hara
> >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:47 PM
> >To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> >Subject: RE: [802SEC] Standards CD-ROM and MOTION
> >
> >
> >
> >Hmmm... So Howard was a volunteer for that job? When I talked to Jim
about
> >the RS position, he told me that the CD-ROM was part of the job
> description!
> >I was planning to produce it, but wanted to be sure it was something that
> >the SEC wants to continue. I guess the only real way to determine that
is
> >to:
> >
> >Moved: That the production of the annual 802 Standards CD-ROM be
> >discontinued.
> > -Bob O'Hara
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1) [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
> >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:00 AM
> >To: Rigsbee, Everett O; 802 Michael Takefman; 802 Geoff Thompson; Grow,
> >Bob
> >Cc: Bob O'Hara; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> >Subject: RE: [802SEC] Standards CD-ROM
> >
> >
> >Buzz,
> >
> >As I said before, the real cost is the volunteer time. It didn't sound
like
> >Howard was willing to do it this time. Do we have a volunteer?
> >
> >If not, perhaps a momento in honor of the Get IEEE 802 program would be a
> >suitable thank you.
> >
> >Pat
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:08 PM
> >To: 802 Michael Takefman; 802 Geoff Thompson; Grow, Bob
> >Cc: Bob O'Hara; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> >Subject: RE: [802SEC] Standards CD-ROM
> >
> >
> >
> >OK, so that's a lot less than we spend on cookies for one meeting, and
> >clearly
> >provides more in the way of lasting value. Since it's our only tangible
> >benefit for
> >paying our meeting fees, I say we should keep it until the demand drops
> off.
> >
> >Right now our attendees are willing to stand in line in order to get one,
I
> >think we
> >should oblige that desire. It's a small "Thank-you" for all their
efforts.
> >
> >Thanx, Buzz
> >Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> >Boeing - SSG
> >PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> >Seattle, WA 98324-2207
> >(425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> >everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > > ----------
> > > From: Grow, Bob[SMTP:bob.grow@intel.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:43 AM
> > > To: Mike Takefman; Geoff Thompson
> > > Cc: Bob O'Hara; 802sec (E-mail)
> > > Subject: RE: [802SEC] Standards CD-ROM
> > >
> > > Last year's cost must be buried in an invoice from Face to Face. My
> > > recollection is that productions costs were about $2.5k. I would
expect
> >the
> > > costs to be somewhat higher this year because of increased number of
> >members.
> > > From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@cisco.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:52 AM
> > > To: Geoff Thompson
> > > Cc: Bob O'Hara; 802sec (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Standards CD-ROM
> > > Bob, et al,
> > > Personally, I do not want to download stuff from GETIEEE and keep in
on
> my
> >
> > > hard drive. I like the CD ROM and would prefer that we keep it around.
> > > I will ask my members at our september meeting if they want to keep
the
> > > CD program alive. What is the cost of the CD program?
> > > mike
> > > > At 09:57 AM 8/21/01 -0700, Bob O'Hara wrote:
> > > > >With the Get IEEE 802 program, is it still necessary and/or
desirable
> >to
> > > > >produce the 802 standards CD-ROM each year?
> > > > >Bob O'Hara
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