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RE: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?




I also agree ...

Carl


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Quackenbush [mailto:billq@attglobal.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:52 PM
> To: Geoff Thompson
> Cc: Tony Jeffree; pat_thaler@agilent.com; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?
> 
> 
> 
> While I am ignorant of meeting costs on the western side of 
> the Pacific
> Rim, I am in general in agreement with the sentiments expressed by
> Geoff, Tony and Pat.
> 
> Please don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoy Hawaii as a vacation
> destination and I enjoy Kauai in particular.  The Hyatt 
> Regency Kauai is
> a first class hotel.  But our purpose is business and for 
> that purpose,
> such venues are a "waste".  A waste because we pay a significantly
> higher rate and have little or no time to enjoy what we pay 
> extra for. 
> For those who arrive early, stay late or just skip some of 
> the meetings,
> a venue like Kauai is a low cost or free vacation.  For those who do
> none of those, it is a waste.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> wlq
> 
> Geoff Thompson wrote:
> > 
> > Given the high costs of having it in Hawaii (and possibly 
> Japan) we could
> > probably net people ahead by having it in Australia, New 
> Zealand or Korea.
> > 
> > If we were really doing this in Hawaii for (1) business and (2) the
> > convenience of folks from the Far East then we would be 
> having the meetings
> > on Oahu. Let's not kid ourselves. we come here for the 
> resort factor,
> > appropriate or not.
> > 
> > Geoff
> > 
> > At 08:24 AM 11/12/2002 +0000, Tony Jeffree wrote:
> > 
> > >At 01:21 12/11/2002 -0700, pat_thaler@agilent.com wrote:
> > >
> > >>Colleagues,
> > >>
> > >>The original rationale for meeting in Hawaii was to meet 
> our Pacific Rim
> > >>attendees halfway once every two years. We reached this 
> decision many
> > >>years ago after an unsuccessful search for economically 
> feasible venues
> > >>in Australia, Japan, etc.
> > >>
> > >>The previous search was done before the recesion in Japan 
> and neighbors.
> > >>Also, there have been new venues constructed since then. 
> For instance,
> > >>the IETF had a meeting in Yokohama at the Yokohama Grand
> > >>Inter-Continental Hotel. There is a Pan Pacific Hotel 
> across the street
> > >>for overflow.
> > >>
> > >>Given the costs of meeting in Hawaii, the SEC should 
> investigate the
> > >>possibility of meeting on the West side of the Pacific 
> instead of in the
> > >>middle.
> > >>
> > >>Pat
> > >
> > >I agree.
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Tony
> > >
>