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Re: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?




Buzz, 

I look forward to that meeting!

mike

"Rigsbee, Everett O" wrote:
> 
> Mike,  Hey, you get your wish !!!  The Hyatt Regency DFW for March 2003 is
> just what you ordered:
> 
> 1) It's super easy to get to, mid-continent, at a major hub for almost every
> airline with free shuttle from every terminal.
> 
> 2) It has FIVE (5) good restaurants on property plus they will provide an
> additional buffet lunch and dinner service for really quick turn-around
> meals.
> 
> 3) They are providing free shuttle service to the Grapevine Shopping Mall
> for those occasional evenings when you really do want to get out of the
> hotel.
> 
> Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it !!!  :-)
> 
> Thanx,  Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing - SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA  98324-2207
> (425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@cisco.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:54 AM
> To: Stevenson, Carl R (Carl)
> Cc: 'Bill Quackenbush'; Geoff Thompson; Tony Jeffree;
> pat_thaler@agilent.com; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?
> 
> This was my second 802 meeting in hawaii, the first
> time I spent 20 odd hours in transit to then spend
> 4 days sitting in meeting rooms, only to return
> on the red-eye with another 20 odd hour transit time.
> 
> This time I brought my family and we spent an extra
> week afterwards. But, frankly, even for a "free"
> vacation, it was a hell of a trek for them and we
> broke up the travel over 2 days given the age of
> my kids, so I guess I beat the 20 hour mark!
> 
> Overall, I come to 802 meetings to get too much work
> done in too short a period of time. I care about meeting
> space quality and availability and at least a few decent
> restaurants in the vicinity. Frankly, I want locations
> that are EASY to get to. I, nor my company do not
> need to pay extra for a stunning property or location.
> 
> mike
> 
> "Stevenson, Carl R (Carl)" wrote:
> >
> > I also agree ...
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bill Quackenbush [mailto:billq@attglobal.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:52 PM
> > > To: Geoff Thompson
> > > Cc: Tony Jeffree; pat_thaler@agilent.com; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While I am ignorant of meeting costs on the western side of
> > > the Pacific
> > > Rim, I am in general in agreement with the sentiments expressed by
> > > Geoff, Tony and Pat.
> > >
> > > Please don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoy Hawaii as a vacation
> > > destination and I enjoy Kauai in particular.  The Hyatt
> > > Regency Kauai is
> > > a first class hotel.  But our purpose is business and for
> > > that purpose,
> > > such venues are a "waste".  A waste because we pay a significantly
> > > higher rate and have little or no time to enjoy what we pay
> > > extra for.
> > > For those who arrive early, stay late or just skip some of
> > > the meetings,
> > > a venue like Kauai is a low cost or free vacation.  For those who do
> > > none of those, it is a waste.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > wlq
> > >
> > > Geoff Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Given the high costs of having it in Hawaii (and possibly
> > > Japan) we could
> > > > probably net people ahead by having it in Australia, New
> > > Zealand or Korea.
> > > >
> > > > If we were really doing this in Hawaii for (1) business and (2) the
> > > > convenience of folks from the Far East then we would be
> > > having the meetings
> > > > on Oahu. Let's not kid ourselves. we come here for the
> > > resort factor,
> > > > appropriate or not.
> > > >
> > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > At 08:24 AM 11/12/2002 +0000, Tony Jeffree wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >At 01:21 12/11/2002 -0700, pat_thaler@agilent.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Colleagues,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>The original rationale for meeting in Hawaii was to meet
> > > our Pacific Rim
> > > > >>attendees halfway once every two years. We reached this
> > > decision many
> > > > >>years ago after an unsuccessful search for economically
> > > feasible venues
> > > > >>in Australia, Japan, etc.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>The previous search was done before the recesion in Japan
> > > and neighbors.
> > > > >>Also, there have been new venues constructed since then.
> > > For instance,
> > > > >>the IETF had a meeting in Yokohama at the Yokohama Grand
> > > > >>Inter-Continental Hotel. There is a Pan Pacific Hotel
> > > across the street
> > > > >>for overflow.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Given the costs of meeting in Hawaii, the SEC should
> > > investigate the
> > > > >>possibility of meeting on the West side of the Pacific
> > > instead of in the
> > > > >>middle.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Pat
> > > > >
> > > > >I agree.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Regards,
> > > > >Tony
> > > > >
> > >
> 
> --
> Michael Takefman              tak@cisco.com
> Manager of Engineering,       Cisco Systems
> Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> 2000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> voice: 613-254-3399       cell:613-220-6991

-- 
Michael Takefman              tak@cisco.com
Manager of Engineering,       Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
2000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
voice: 613-254-3399       cell:613-220-6991