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Re: FW: [802SEC] ArrayComm claiming their technology to be"Standards-Based (IEEE 802.20)" in CITEL Seminar presentation




Dear SEC,

I have taken note of this verbal attack on our SEC colleague, Mr. Stevenson.

There is nothing in the statement below to support its assertions that Mr. Stevenson's message was "very far from the truth" or "bizarre." Neither do I see any support for the accusation that he "willfully mislead (sic) the SEC." In fact, I can't find _anything_ in Ms. Wilson's statement to dispute the truth of anything in Mr. Stevenson's message. Neither do I see any indication that he misrepresented the context of the issue. He objected to the particular slide because "THAT is what attendees will be taking home and presumably distributing to their colleagues."

I do agree that an apology is in order. However, it is Mr. Stevenson that is owed one.

Roger Marks


At 14:09 -0400 03/10/21, Klerer Mark wrote:
>SEC Members
>
>I have spoken to Joanne and, as you can see from the e-mail below, she has agreed to modify the slide in question. She has also asked me (since she is not able to post to the SEC reflector)to forward the attached e-mail providing her viewpoint on this issue.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark Klerer
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joanne Wilson [mailto:joanne@arraycomm.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:49 PM
>To: Klerer Mark
>Subject: RE: [802SEC] ArrayComm claiming their technology to be "Standards-Based (IEEE 802.20)" in CITEL Seminar presentation
>
>Mark,
>
>Please forward my response to the SEC members.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Joanne
>
>---------------------------
>
>Gentlemen,
>
>I am aware that that Mr. Stevenson sent you a slide from my CITEL presentation and asserted that I claimed, on behalf of ArrayComm, that our system was based on (or compliant with) an 802.20 standard. That is very far from the truth and is, obviously, a bizarre assertion to make. During the presentation I stated that ArrayComm system was an IP-based system that, on the network side used a standards-based open architecture. I further stated that, for the radio access portion of the network, we were involved in the establishment of the 802.20 WG, that we are currently active in 802.20, and that we would be bringing our technology in as a proposal to 802.20 in response to its future call for proposals. During the Q&A, Carl asked me to clarify that point, which I did, stating (again) that 802.20 had yet to make its call for proposals. The particular slide that Carl sent you had was very wordy and had 802.20 mentioned parathetically, which was our shorthand way to remind the aud!
 ience that that was the standards body where we would be bringing our proposal. In hindsight, agree that by itself it could be interpreted as our stating that we were compliant with 802.20. However, that was not our intent and that was not the impression given to the audience. The summary slide of the presentation, attached, specifically states:
>
>"Real world deployment supports future standardization in IEEE802.20"
>
>I think this is much clearer and dispells any notion that we are stating that we are compliant with a yet to be established standard.
>
>At the time that I spoke with Carl, after both the presentation and the Q&A session where it had been stated and restated the current status of the work within 802.20 and ArrayComm's intention, I didn't believe that there remained any misunderstandings within this forum. Thus, to me this was a non-issue, particularly since I didn't share Carl's interpretation of that one pararenthetical on that one slide.
>
>So, I have no problem with modifying that one slide and I will submit it to CITEL. I will also put on the record, however, that I am amazed and personnally offended that Mr. Stevenson willfully mislead the SEC about by presentation by sending you, out of context, one of twenty-four slides and asserting that there is a "misrepresentation in ArrayComm's presentation". With the information that you were provided, I understand why the SEC members would have a negative reaction to what he asserted. Unfortunately, that information was neither complete nor accurate. I hope an apology will be forthcoming.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Joanne
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Klerer Mark [mailto:M.Klerer@flarion.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:43 AM
>To: 'Joanne Wilson'
>Subject: FW: [802SEC] ArrayComm claiming their technology to be
>"Standards-Based (IEEE 802.20)" in CITEL Seminar presentation
>Importance: High
>
>
>FYI
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob O'Hara [mailto:bob@airespace.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
>To: Stevenson, Carl R (Carl); stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>Subject: RE: [802SEC] ArrayComm claiming their technology to be
>"Standards-Based (IEEE 802.20)" in CITEL Seminar presentation
>
>
>Carl,
>
>One option is to make the conference organizers aware of the false
>claims and have the IEEE request that they pull the entire presentation
>from the materials and censure the author.
>
> -Bob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
>[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Stevenson,
>Carl R (Carl)
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:55 AM
>To: Rigsbee, Everett O; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>Subject: RE: [802SEC] ArrayComm claiming their technology to be
>"Standards-Based (IEEE 802.20)" in CITEL Seminar presentation
>
>
>
>No ... no joke ... read the slide I clipped from the
>presentation ...
>
>A number of people told me they got the distinct
>impression that ArrayComm was saying "iBurst=802.20".
>
>Carl
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:52 PM
>> To: Stevenson, Carl R (Carl); stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>> Subject: RE: [802SEC] ArrayComm claiming their technology to be
>> "Standards-Based (IEEE 802.20)" in CITEL Seminar presentation
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl,  Of all the possible things to try to claim conformance
>> to 802.20 would be at the very bottom of my list.
>>
>> Are you sure someone isn't just playing a joke on you ???    :-)
>>
>> Thanx,  Buzz
>> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
>> Boeing - SSG
>> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
>> Seattle, WA  98124-2207
>> (425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
>> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stevenson, Carl R (Carl) [mailto:carlstevenson@agere.com]
>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:02 PM
>> To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>> Subject: [802SEC] ArrayComm claiming their technology to be
>> "Standards-Based (IEEE 802.20)" in CITEL Seminar presentation
>> Importance: High
>>
>>
>> Dear EC Members,
>>
>> I have a real problem with the presentation made by Joanne
>> Wilson of ArrayComm (a member of 802.20) at the CITEL
>> Broadband Seminar today in El Salvador.
>>
>> The offending slide claims that ArrayComm's "iBurst" is
>> "Proven technology, standards-based (IEEE 802.20), multiple
>> large manufacturers" ... and THAT
>> is what attendees will be taking home and presumably
>> distributing to their colleagues.
>>
>> I also mention that IEEE trademarks, if any, on IEEE 802.20
>> are not honored in  ArrayComm's slides.
>>
>> I did question Ms. Wilson in the Q&A session following the
>> presentations and got her to verbally clarify that, while
>> ArrayComm may intend to make a proposal in
>> 802.20, that their "iBurst" technology is NOT "802.20" nor is
>> it even certain in any way to become a part of the
>> yet-to-be-defined 802.20 standard.  However, the
>> slide will still go home with people and when they review it
>> or share it with colleagues the misimpression will be reinforced.
>>
>> Ms. Wilson's response when confronted privately with the
>> attached slide was "It's done, I clarified, and I'm not going
>> to change the slide now."
>>
>> I bring this to the attention of the EC because I  believe
>> this misrepresentation in ArrayComm's presentation to the
>> CITEL community is totally inappropriate and I
>> am interested in what possible action the EC and/or IEEE
>> can/will take.
>>
>> I am only sending the egregious slide at this time, as the
>> entire presentation is about 7 MB.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Carl R. Stevenson
>> Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group
>> 610-965-8799 (home office)
>> 610-712-3217 (fax mailbox)
>> 610-570-6168 (cellphone)
>> Short Message Service: 6105706168@voicestream.net
> > carl.stevenson@ieee.org
>>
>>  <<ArrayComm_slide16_CITEL.ppt>>
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