Re: [802SEC] Amended P&P text for Roll Call Vote Rules Change
I heartily endorse the sentiment expressed in Mike's reply to Buzz. The
proposal has enough checks and balances to provide for a process of review
if people lodge complaints against the actions of the chair, while still
providing the chair the freedom to keep Roll Call votes from being used
abusively. I think it strikes a nice balance.
Best regards,
Robert D. Love
President, LAN Connect Consultants
7105 Leveret Circle Raleigh, NC 27615
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Takefman" <tak@cisco.com>
To: "Rigsbee, Everett O" <everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com>
Cc: <stds-802-sec@ieee.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Amended P&P text for Roll Call Vote Rules Change
>
> Buzz,
>
> I copied that text right out of Roberts where it was discussing
> divisions of the assembly. So that particular language has
> withstood a long time.
>
> Right now our P&P gives huge power to the chair without all
> that much guidance. The proposed text is clearly in line
> with that philosophy.
>
> The requirement to minute the chair's reasons gives sufficient
> details in the event that someone wants to protest that the
> chair is abusing their position.
>
> I think in the end, it is like pornography, or at least art.
>
> I don't know art, but I know what I hate!
>
> cheers,
>
> mike
>
> Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
> >
> > Mike, I think you're still going to have problems if you can't provide
more specificity for what constitutes abuse.
> >
> > The WG Chair needs some guidelines for how/where to draw the line. It
can't just be like pornography.
> >
> > Thanx, Buzz
> > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Boeing - SSG
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> > cell: (425) 417-1022
> > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@cisco.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:55 AM
> > To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > Subject: [802SEC] Amended P&P text for Roll Call Vote Rules Change
> >
> >
> > Dear EC Members and interested parties,
> >
> > In January a small Comment Resolution
> > group sat down and resolved the comments on the
> > Rules Change Ballot (which failed originally).
> >
> > These proposed changes will be discussed at the
> > sunday night rules change meeting in Orlando.
> >
> > I believe that this text provides a good compromise
> > on both allowing roll call votes and allowing the
> > chair to make progress in meetings by not being
> > swamped by roll call votes.
> >
> > I would like to have an straw poll on this new
> > text from EC members between now and the rules
> > change meeting. Please email me with your support or
> > concerns over this change.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > mike
> >
>
>
> --
> Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
> Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems
> Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> 3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991
>
>