I totally agree with Tony. Other organizations make a commitment to their members to hold Non-North American meetings.
Jerry Upton
In a message dated 12/16/2004 10:22:13 AM Central Standard Time, tony@JEFFREE.CO.UK writes:
Bob -
How about we change "consider holding" to "hold" in that second sentence?
We've *considered* holding overseas plenary meetings for many years - what
we need is the commitment to actually do it.
Regards,
Tony
At 15:46 16/12/2004, Bob Heile wrote:
>All the wireless groups already hold a non North America interim meeting
>at least once a year. 802 should consider holding a non North America
>plenary at least once a year.
>
>
>
>
>At 08:13 AM 12/15/2004 -0500, Mike Takefman wrote:
>>Fellow EC Members,
>>
>>I seem to recall that there was a proposed solution to this
>>issue (which I believe came from Matt originally, and agreed
>>to in principle at our all-802 hosted Interim in Vancouver
>>a year or so ago).
>>
>>Lets hold one 802-sponsored all-WG interim session each year
>>outside of North America.
>>
>>This gives us flexibility to get it done before 2009 or whenever
>>there are free plenary slots.
>>
>>cheers,
>>
>>mike
>>
>>Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
>>>I support Mat's proposal. We need to do this, even if it "costs" more
>>>and I think we need to think in terms of the costs to our non-US
>>>participants who have been footing the bill for travel cost (and time)
>>>here for the meetings.
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>>> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:05 PM
>>> *To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I?ve been pushing to have more international locations for at least
>>> 8 months now. The biggest issue I?ve heard is costs. I really
>>> don?t want to hear that issue any more. I think there is a cost
>>> associated with being an ?International? standards organization, and
>>> we have to face it. I voted against some locations at the last
>>> meeting partly because no international options were presented. In
>>> fact, only one option was presented for each session location. I
>>> don?t think this is acceptable, and I don?t think we should even
>>> consider voting on the location of a session unless multiple options
>>> are available. Further I think at least one international option
>>> per session should be presented before we vote to approve a session
>>> location. I?d also like to see us insist on one international
>>> plenary a year. I recognize this will raise costs, and add
>>> complexity, but I think it is part of the cost of being an
>>> international standards body, and we have to face it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>>> Senior Member Technical Staff
>>> BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>> Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>> email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>>> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] *On Behalf Of *Stuart
>>> Kerry
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:24 PM
>>> *To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>> *Subject:* [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 802 ExCom Members,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am forwarding the attached email to you all from a member of my
>>> Working Group (Bruce Kraemer), who raises genuine concerns over the
>>> locations of future 802 Plenary sessions. He has addressed an issue
>>> that has been raised that is dear to my heart in connection with our
>>> recent ISO effort, which respect to our work as an International
>>> body, and therefore I offer this to you in support, for your
>>> comments and views.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also ask that you add Bruce to your email replies as he is not on
>>> the ExCom reflector.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> / Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stuart J. Kerry
>>>
>>> Chair, IEEE 802.11 WLANs WG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Philips Semiconductors, Inc.
>>>
>>> 1109 McKay Drive, M/S 48A SJ,
>>>
>>> San Jose, CA 95131-1706,
>>>
>>> United States of America.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ph : +1 (408) 474-7356
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> eMail: stuart.kerry@philips.com <mailto:stuart.kerry@philips.com>
>>>
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Bruce Kraemer [mailto:bruce.kraemer@conexant.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2004 6:10 AM
>>> *To:* p.nikolich@ieee.org
>>> *Cc:* jesse.walker@intel.com; everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com;
>>> owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org; Stuart Kerry
>>> *Subject:* Plenary Meeting locations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear SEC,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I was checking meeting dates and noticed that all of the
>>> upcoming 802 Plenaries are scheduled for US locations through
>>> *2009! *(I include Vancouver)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. I also noted the following news article last week from China
>>> Tech News. While highly biased it does illustrate my point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *WAPI Proposal Finally Acknowledged By International Organization*
>>> December 9, 2004
>>>
>>> *After many ups and downs, the Chinese-sponsored WAPI (Wireless LAN
>>> Authentication and Privacy Infrastructure) standard has seen a new
>>> twist--it has finally been acknowledged by the International
>>> Standardization Organization during the ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 session. *
>>> WAPI will be pushed within ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 along with America's
>>> IEEE 802.11i, and WAPI will be put on the agenda of the SC 6 WG1
>>> meeting scheduled for February 2005.
>>> Local reports say that the Chinese delegation successfully made
>>> their bid by forcing the US side to issue a statement that both WAPI
>>> and 802.11i can be deployed together.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. Although the IEEE 802 may wish to call itself an
>>> inter-national standards body it has been pointed out many
>>> times that such a view is not universally held. 802 needs to
>>> seriously consider changing meeting venues as one means to
>>> back up the rhetoric. The individual working groups have been
>>> more proactive in distributing their meeting locations which
>>> obviously helps but is not sufficient. Please consider
>>> including inter-national 802 plenary locations as soon as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Bruce Kraemer
>>>
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>>
>>--
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Tony
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