Re: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ P&P_Revision_Process
I vote Disapprove, with the following comments:
(1) I disagree with 7.1.6.3:
"Distribution of ballots on P&P revisions to the LMSC membership
shall be accomplished as provided by subclause... "
In the Word file, the reference is not found. That's actually a good
thing, because the reference is incorrect. You can see this in the
PDF rules, where the reference is to 3.4.2. In the previous edition
of the rules, 3.4.2 was the correct reference. In the current
version, the reference should be to 7.1.4.2.
7.1.4.2 explains the process for people to observe EC ballots in
general. It says: "Provision shall be made for the LMSC membership to
observe and comment on Executive Committee electronic ballots."
This provision is 7.1.4.2 is totally ineffective for EC ballots and
is completely unsuitable for rules change ballots. I recall that, at
the time the "provision to observe and comment" clause was inserted,
I was assured that someone would institute a special process, with a
unique (open-subscription) reflector and web page, for EC ballots.
This did not happen.
Unless provision is made to correct this flaw in the process, I
cannot vote to approve other changes to it.
I am opposed to solving the problem by invoking the wish that ballots
be forwarded to WG reflectors.
I will accept the following remedy: In 7.1.4.2, change "Provision
shall be made for the LMSC membership to observe and comment on
Executive Committee electronic ballots." to "Provision shall be made
for the LMSC membership to observe and comment on Executive Committee
electronic ballots. For this purpose, an electronic mail distribution
system shall be implemented solely for EC balloting. Any individual
shall be permitted to subscribe to and submit to this distribution
system and to access the archives. No vote or comment shall be
considered unless submitted though this distribution system."
(2) The reference in 7.1.6.2 and 7.1.6.4 to the 2/3 majority are both
ambiguous, or are at least ambiguous enough to lead to debate at a
future EC meeting. Remedy: change both "shall require the affirmative
vote of at least two thirds of Committee members with voting rights"
and "shall require the affirmative vote of at least two thirds of all
Executive Committee members with voting rights" to: "shall require a
majority of at least two thirds of the Approve and Disapprove votes."
Roger
At 09:20 -0500 2005-01-01, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
>All,
>
>It's a new year so in case your minds have been wiped clean from
>last year I am forwarding a copy of this ballot for your reference!
>
>Enjoy,
>
>Mat
>
>
>
>Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>Senior Member Technical Staff
>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>
>From: owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman,
>Matthew J. (US SSA)
>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:59 PM
>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>Subject: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ P&P_Revision_Process
>
>Dear EC members,
>Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on
>the LMSC P&P Revision Process. This ballot was approved at the
>Friday November 19, 2004 EC meeting. The text is identical to that
>presented at the meeting. The purpose and rationale for the ballot
>are as given in the attached ballot document.
>Ballot Duration: 12/5/2004 - 1/5/2004 @ 11:59 PM EST
>WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your
>groups, and invite them to comment through you.
>Thanks & Regards,
>Mat
><<802.0-P&P_Revision_Process-P&P_Revision_ballot.doc>>
>Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>Vice Chair, IEEE 802
>Senior Member Technical Staff
>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>Mail Stop 11B01
>164 Totowa Road
>Wayne, NJ 07474-0975
>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>Cell: +1 973.229.9520
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>email: <mailto:matthew.sherman@baesystems.com>matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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