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Re: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting



Bob,  Right On !!!  All WGs and TFs are invited to attend but they do have the right to decline should they so choose.  We will generally ask for some commitment on participation (In or Out) by the end of the previous plenary session (i.e. Nov. 2006).  Of course if you do know sooner tell us ASAP.  Does that sound workable ???  

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
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-----Original Message-----
From: Grow, Bob [mailto:bob.grow@intel.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:52 PM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting


Buzz:

802.3 interims are always subject to ballot cycles.  Last year, it was fine for everyone getting together.  This year, it seems to be additional meetings for some projects with most making a general interim.  I should vote that my vote in support of an 802 treasury hosted January 2007 meeting should not be considered a commitment for each task force in 802.3 to attend.

--Bob Grow 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:25 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting

Hi Pat,  Yes, we have roomblock and function space review periods after each plenary session including the November 2006 session with the ability to adjust up or down by 20% without penalty.  We also have NO Attrition penalty for rooms but we do have a sliding scale charge for the reserved meeting space if we do not make at least 70% of our final adjusted roomblock.  That seems pretty safe to me since we do have all of the usual Force Majeure protections for any disaster or acts of terrorism.  

They were offerring us additional rooms at the Hilton Park Lane but I was advised that it is several miles and a complicated transit ride away from the Hilton London Metropole, so we opted for rooms at the Hilton London Paddington instead which is just two-blocks away and just above the Edgware Road transit station.  I do think proximity is a rather important factor for our folks but we can certainly publish a list of other recommended accommodations for those who are a bit more adventuresome and/or price sensitive.  


Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com



-----Original Message-----
From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:50 AM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting


Buzz,

Yes, I also noted that discrepancy in the results and interpreted it similarly. I agree that the type of venue we need will be expensive in London and elsewhere in Europe - even in January. The meal inclusions do help. 

I'm glad to hear that we are being careful in our room block size. Am I correct in assuming we can adjust this as usual? Since this is an interim it is possible some working groups could opt out. 

By the way, when you are looking at some alternative lower cost accommodations, I can recommend the small Hilton London Mews property (which is tucked behind the eyesore London Hilton Park Lane) is lovely and can have good rates. It must be an acquisition because it is more a typical little English hotel with small but comfortable rooms. They were very gracious in handling the unexpected as I was there on that 9/11 so the staff was continually dealing with cancellations, extensions and guests who didn't know when they would be able to continue their travels.

Regards,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM] 
Sent: Monday, 25 July, 2005 9:22 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting

Pat,  We did approve it assuming a major contract adjustment and I prefaced the pitch by observing that it was at the upper end of what folks indicated was tolerable for them.  But the way I read the survey results is that where two-thirds thought we should seek more international venues even though it would be more expensive, less than 50% indicated willingness to pay much more than what we are currently paying for US venues.  This of course does not compute, so I had to assume there was a bit of pricing deflation being factored into the results.  I do think what we are being offerred is about as good a possible deal as we can get for London, so if we ever want to go there this is our shot.  It also allows us to start our trend to international venues at the earliest possible opportunity, January 2007, something which speaks to our commitment to be an international Standards body. If we pass this one up, which still may happen due to contract problems, it will be January o!!
   !  f 2008 before we get another shot.  All of that being considered, most of the EC (10-0-5) felt it was more important that we start the international cycle rather than hold out for some possibly better deal later.  We will find better deals for the future out there if there are any, but we need to go with what we have.  We will try to find other accommodations at lower rates to complement our basic block but most folks do want to be at the site where the meeting is held if that is possible.  We have only blocked 900 rooms for this venue, which is low by normal standards so we are being careful on this.  And let me remind you that the prices include a full English breakfast and a two-course luncheon each day, as well as our usual Wednesday evening social.  Ask Tony or Stuart, this is a great deal even if it seems pricey by American standards.  We're just the best-buy on the planet right now.  

At least as the dollar continues to get stronger against the pound we shall see some improvement in our cost ratios.  

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com



-----Original Message-----
From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:02 PM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting


Did we approve the London interim at the Friday EC? With all we handled, I don't quite recall.

Comparing the responses to the registration survey and the rates for room night and registration, it looks like we are over the threshold of pain for a lot of attendees. Only about 25% of those not abstaining said they would be willing to go that high in room night rate and less than 20% said that the registration fee would be acceptable.

One concern in going too high in room night rate is that people will opt to stay at other hotels as there are definitely lower priced options in the area which could represent a problem on our room nights. 

I know finding a usable venue at an acceptable rate is difficult and the London location is a very nice site but it doesn't match well to our survey results. I think we could afford to stretch on one of the two numbers (particularly meeting fee which is once per member per meeting) but we are stretching both pretty far.

Regards,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM] 
Sent: Saturday, 23 July, 2005 9:39 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting


OK,  here ya' go !!!

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob O'Hara (boohara) [mailto:boohara@CISCO.COM] 
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:16 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting


If you have not already emailed me your material from the EC meeting, please do so immediately.  Thank you.

 -Bob

Bob O'Hara
Cisco Systems - WNBU

Phone:  +1 408 853 5513
Mobile: +1 408 218 4025
 

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