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Re: [802SEC] Interpretation of current P&P



I concur with Tony's interpretation as well.  As a matter of fact, I
recall discussion at the time we put the rule in place that we were
limiting the term to 10 years.

Perhaps when we split into P&P and ByLaws we can clarify the text.

Pat 

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All:

I concur with Tonys interpretation and beleive that he can run again and
does not need 75% approval.

Arnie

-------------- Original message from "Bob O'Hara (boohara)"
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> I believe that the intent of the policy is to require WG approval for
a 
> chair to serve more than 10 years, i.e, to be elected more than five 
> times or to be appointed to replace an elected chair and then be
elected 
> more than four times. I think the phrase "has served ... more than 
> eight years" is the key to determining this meaning. The use of past 
> tense seems to allow the chair to be elected to five terms or to serve

> out a partial term after being appointed and then be elected to four 
> more terms. If the intent was to limit a chair to no more than four 
> complete terms, the text could easily have said that. 
> 
> I agree with Carl that the text can be improved to make this meaning 
> clearer. 
> 
> If Tony has been elected four times and you accept my reasoning above,
I 
> think there is not a need for the WG to get involved in this mess at 
> this time. 
> 
> -Bob 
> 
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> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Carl R. Stevenson

> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:23 AM 
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Interpretation of current P&P 
> 
> Dear all, 
> 
> While the words may not say *exactly* that, I concur with Roger's 
> interpretation of the intent of our provision as meaning "four two
year 
> terms" (or at least the better part of the span of 4 March to 
> March_plus_2_years terms ... I don't think that it was ever intended 
> that a 
> matter a few weeks would make a difference) 
> 
> Having said that, I want to make it clear that I am not suggesting
that 
> Tony 
> should be forced from office, that I respect his service, and that I 
> strongly suspect that if he wishes to continue he would likely get his

> WG's 
> endorsement to do so ... 
> 
> Matt: ... I think we should clarify this in a future P&P revision. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Carl 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
> > [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of 
> > Roger B. Marks 
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:20 PM 
> > To: Tony Jeffree 
> > Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Interpretation of current P&P 
> > 
> > Tony, 
> > 
> > I think that the intent of "eight years" is "four two-year terms". 
> > 
> > On the other hand, if we take the "eight years" literally, then I 
> > think we ought to look at the calendar. According to my records, the

> > March 2000 session ended on 9 March and the March 2008 session opens

> > on 17 March. 
> > 
> > Roger 
> > 
> > 
> > On Oct 29, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Tony Jeffree wrote: 
> > 
> > > I have a question for clarification of the current P&P with regard

> > > to the wording in 7.2.2. It states: 
> > > 
> > > "An individual who has served as Chair or Vice Chair of a given WG

> > > for a total of more than 
> > > eight years in that office may not run for election to that office

> > > again, unless the question of 
> > > allowing that individual to run for election again is 
> > approved by a 
> > > 75% vote of the WG one 
> > > plenary in advance of that election." 
> > > 
> > > I am now in my 8th year as 802.1 Chair, having first been 
> > appointed 
> > > Chair at the end of the March 2000 Plenary session. So when the 
> > > elections are run in March 2008, I will have been Chair for not 
> > > quite 8 years, as the appointment occurs at the end of the session

> > > (see 7.1.2). I therefore interpret the above as meaning that I 
> > > don't need a 75% approval vote of my WG in November to allow me to

> > > run for re-election in March. Is my interpretation correct? 
> > > 
> > > Regards, 
> > > Tony 
> > > 
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