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Re: [802SEC] It doesn't have to be either or



Tony/All-

In support of the prospect for logistical and financial nightmare...

I have some numbers that could scope the financials for bus service. I 
rented a bus for the HSSG et al trip from ITU HQ to CERN and back in June. 
That was Geneva, not Rome but I think it would be close enough for this 
discussion. One bus for taking the trip to CERN and back would be (I am 
assuming) equivalent to what we would pay for morning or evening bus 
service from Rome center to the hotel.

The Swiss bus, capacity 50, cost CHF 309.-

My estimated cost is on the order of $63K
(Current conversion rates)

Here are the calcs and assumptions
DAY		Num	per bus	# busses Trips	/bus CHF     /bus EUR	Euros	 Price $
Monday AM	400	50	8	2	CHF 309.00	189 	3,021 	 $4,484
Monday AM	800	50	16	2	CHF 309.00	189 	6,042 	 $8,967
Tuesday AM	800	50	16	2	CHF 309.00	189 	6,042 	 $8,967
Tuesday PM	800	50	16	2	CHF 309.00	189 	6,042 	 $8,967
Wednesday AM	800	50	16	2	CHF 309.00	189 	6,042 	 $8,967
Wednesday PM	800	50	16	2	CHF 309.00	189 	6,042 	 $8,967
Thursday AM	800	50	16	2	CHF 309.00	189 	6,042 	 $8,967
Thursday PM	400	50	8	2	CHF 309.00	189 	3,021 	 $4,484

If you don't like my numbers you can do your own
BUT I think we have to admit that we're looking $50K or more for busses
AND even then it will be an unsatisfactory situation
Past plenaries with short bus rides between buildings were unhappy in outcome
Rome traffic is legendarily awful.


At 10:26 PM 11/26/2007 , Tony Jeffree wrote:
7) While I don't like the venue in Rome, we have been left with
 >> no other Non-NA choices.  I still think there are things that
 >> can be done to improve the situation.  For instance, we could
 >> run a bus service (even if only twice a day) to / from a
 >> central location in Rome.  Many people commute in their daily
 >> lives.  People drive and take cabs.  If the Cab fare is $50
 >> each way, but it saves you $200 on your room,
 >> perhaps that is worth it.
 >
 > I think Pat already de-bunked this one. Even ignoring the cost
 > of running sufficient coaches, we're talking a major logistical
 > nightmare here - with more than half of our attendees having to
 > find hotels off-site, that means shifting 800+ people from the
 > hotel to central Rome at peak times.
 > That's just not going to happen.

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