Re: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] UC-EC email ballot regarding forwarding 802.20 to RevComm
Pat-
I strongly agree with you "in principle" BUT....
This is not the way that IEEE has moved in its balloting system (and, thus
in its P&P).
(And its system has always been VOTE oriented rather than COMMENT oriented.
I have always claimed that this is a major flaw in their system, that their
balloting is oriented towards approving documents rather than improving
them in the process of approval.)
The revision to 5.4.3.2 of the Ops Manual (new this year) reinforces this.
The 802 voting rules link us to the SA rules, even when they do the "wrong"
thing.
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There is a recirculation requirement. For guidance on the recirculation
process see subclause 5.4.3.2 Resolution of comments, objections, and
negative votes in the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual.
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The term "guidance" give us some latitude but makes the interpretation
vague and therefore up to the case by case discretion of the EC. That is
probably a bad thing.
Geoff
At 03:06 AM 5/13/2008 , Pat Thaler wrote:
Colleagues,
This conversation shows a significant flaw in the current MyBallot comment
handling which I have mentioned before.
Our ballots often have a great many "must be satisfied" comments that are
relatively minor and easily satisfied by comment resolution plus a smaller
number of comments representing disagreements that are not resolved. Before
MyBallot managed the comment resolution, we (in IEEE 802.3 at least) used a
process where people were able to sign off on their disapprove comments
having been satisfactoraly resolved on a comment by comment basis during
the comment resolution. That allowed us to go to recirculation with a
usually short list of unresolved disapprove comments that only included
those issues that were truly unresolved. This was presented to the
recirculation voters in a pdf sorted by clause that could be easily scanned
so one could decide whether to "pile on" to the unresolved comments.
MyBallot doesn't provide any way for a commenter to indicate that some or
all of the voter's comments have been satisfied before the recirculation.
As a result our voters are presented with comments representing a few
significant disagreements buried in a clutter of resolved (but not marked
as such) "must be satisfied" comments.
This results in a lower quality ballot experience than we had under the
older system.
MyBallot should provide a way for a commenter to indicate "has been
satisfied" and thus remove the comment from the list of unresolved
negatives before recirculation.
Regards,
Pat
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