Re: [802SEC] New IMAT beta test at 802 Wireless Interim in Atlanta
All,
I also agree.
Regards,
Mike
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] New IMAT beta test at 802 Wireless Interim in Atlanta
All
I agree.
Regards,
Tony
On May 20, 2012 6:05 PM, "James P. K. Gilb" <gilb@ieee.org> wrote:
> All
>
> As happens every once in a while, (Such as a solar eclipse, which is
> about to happen. Coincidence? I think not.) I wholeheartedly agree with Geoff.
>
> The SA rules require it, hence it must be part of IMAT.
>
> There, we just provided a rational rationale.
>
> James Gilb
>
> On 05/18/2012 06:15 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>
>> Christina-
>> I believe that your message is misplaced.
>> What is required is not a change from any of our original
>> requirements nor due to any change in 802 rules since the start of the IMAT project.
>> Thus, unless you can document a sign-off from 802 on an IMAT
>> requirements document that does not include this feature, the lack of
>> this ability is due to a misanalysis of the requirements by the IMAT
>> project team.
>>
>> Ms Thaler has quoted chapter and verse from the SA Ops Manual that
>> lays out this requirement.
>>
>> Therefore the cost burden belongs to the budget associated with the
>> original project. I.e. you ain't done with the first phase yet.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Geoff Thompson
>>
>> On 185//12 9:20 AM, c.boyce@ieee.org wrote:
>>
>>> Recognizing the desire of some users to facilitate recording of
>>> partial attendance in IMAT, a suggested course of action is:
>>> - Document the requirements and rational
>>> - Requirements and rational approved by IEEE 802 EC
>>> - Requirements and rational approved by IEEE-SA Governance
>>> - Identify Funding
>>> - Based on the requirements, determine the cost
>>> - Identify the budget
>>> - Project is scheduled by IEEE (contingent upon funding/budget)
>>>
>>> Christina Boyce
>>> Manager Standards Solutions Services, IEEE Standards
>>> 445 Hoes Lane
>>> Piscataway, NJ 08855
>>> c.boyce@ieee.org
>>> Phone 732-562-5540
>>> Cell 908-239-4038
>>>
>>> IEEE ? Advancing Technology for Humanity
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>>> "MJLynch@mjlallc.com"<MJLynch@**mjlallc.com <MJLynch@mjlallc.com>>
>>> To:
>>> "James P. K. Gilb"<gilb@IEEE.ORG>,
>>> "STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.**ORG<STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
>>> "
>>> <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.**ORG <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>>
>>> Date:
>>> 05/09/2012 05:19 PM
>>> Subject:
>>> Re: [802SEC] New IMAT beta test at 802 Wireless Interim in Atlanta
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Christina,
>>>
>>> Another "me too" from me. The group that I chair (802.18) allows
>>> attendees to obtain credit in their home groups by attending 802.18.
>>> In many cases they attend when documents from their WG are being
>>> presented and again when votes are being taken on those documents.
>>> Yes, it is possible for someone to be a valid 802.18 voter and also
>>> a voter in 802.xx.
>>>
>>> The system needs to support attendance that is "split" between
>>> 802.18 and any other WG that has agreed to that process.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [
>>> mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:00 PM
>>> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>> Subject: Re: [802SEC] New IMAT beta test at 802 Wireless Interim in
>>> Atlanta
>>>
>>> Christina
>>>
>>> I agree with Pat, that not only have we requested, it is required by
>>> the rules.
>>>
>>> Who made the decision not to implement this required feature?
>>>
>>> James Gilb
>>>
>>> On 05/09/2012 11:34 AM, Pat Thaler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Christina,
>>>>
>>>> I'm disappointed that an improvement that we have requested for as
>>>> long as IEEE 802 has used IMAT has not been included in the update.
>>>> That is the ability to claim partial attendance (i.e. attendance
>>>> for less than 75%) for a meeting. The attendance database as it is
>>>> focuses only on recording attendance for purposes of gaining and
>>>> maintaining voting membership in the Working Group but that is not
>>>> the only need for attendance records.
>>>>
>>>> The IEEE Standards Board Operations Manual 5.3.3.1 requires a list
>>>> of attendees for the minutes of each meeting: "The minutes of each
>>>> working group or project meeting shall record a list of attendees
>>>> and the disclosed affiliation of each attendee."
>>>>
>>>> In the example shown in slide 10 of the attendee screen shots, an
>>>> attendee may have spent some time in each meeting attending greater
>>>> than 75% of one and less than 75% of the other (or less than 75% in
>>>> each). An attendee that participated in less than 75% of a meeting
>>>> still has heard presentations and debate and may have participated
>>>> in votes and debates. That attendance needs to be recorded for the
>>>> minutes.
>>>>
>>>> In order to comply with the Standards Board Operations Manual and
>>>> serve as an attendance record for voting membership, the database
>>>> needs to allow for recording attendance at two levels - partial
>>>> attendance (i.e. less than 75%) and full attendance (greater than
>>>> 75%). Handling for full attendance would be the same as now (i.e.
>>>> only one concurrent or overlapping meeting can have full attendance).
>>>> Multiple concurrent meetings can have partial attendance and
>>>> claiming full attendance for an overlapping meeting demotes another
>>>> concurrent full attendance meeting to partial attendance (rather
>>>> than to no attendance as it does now.)
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Pat Thaler
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee
>>>> List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Christina
>>>> Boyce
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:20 AM To:
>>>> STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [802SEC] New IMAT beta test
>>>> at
>>>> 802 Wireless Interim in Atlanta
>>>>
>>>> Attention IEEE 802 Working Group Chairs and Officers
>>>>
>>>> Over the past few months the SA Staff has been working with a few
>>>> 802 Working Group members to enhance the IMAT application. We have
>>>> gathered requirements, documented, planned, scheduled, and alpha
>>>> tested the "new" IMAT application. I am happy to announce that the
>>>> team will be using the new features in a beta test during the
>>>> Wireless Interim in Atlanta May 13 - 17, 2012. IEEE Staff
>>>> (Christina Boyce, Greg Marchini, and Jeric Newby) will be on site
>>>> to ensure a smooth beta test. Pending results from the beta test,
>>>> our plan is to decommission the "old" IMAT in time for the July 2012 802 Plenary.
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: During the 802.3 and 802.1 interim meetings in May (next
>>>> week) these groups will continue to use the "old" IMAT application
>>>> for attendees and will notice some new features for the Manager access.
>>>>
>>>> The following link will provide you with the screen shots and
>>>> functionality of the "New" IMAT application.
>>>> https://mentor.ieee.org/**etools_documentation/bp/IMAT<https://ment
>>>> or.ieee.org/etools_documentation/bp/IMAT>
>>>>
>>>> Some major improvements made to the "new" IMAT include: - One
>>>> application/one url for both manager and attendee access: The url
>>>> for accessing IMAT (both Attendee and Officer) will be
>>>> https://imat.ieee.org No delay between meeting information update
>>>> and attendee view Immediate updates to attendance information -
>>>> Manager Access enhancements All reports are now in one location "Delete All"
>>>> breakout capability Meeting Room location entered will show up on
>>>> attendee view Wiki for venue information Ability to delete a
>>>> meeting where attendance was logged. Attendee will receive an email
>>>> notification. All Officers (as entered in myProject) have
>>>> read/write access to IMAT Manager - Attendee enhancements
>>>> Overlapping timeslots, if chosen will warn the attendee before
>>>> continuing Affiliation confirmation screen added New look and feel
>>>> New URL for access
>>>>
>>>> The team will continue to work through the beta test next week and
>>>> continue with a few more enhancements to ensure a successful
>>>> Plenary session in July. Thanks to the team for moving this project
>>>> along in a timely manner and giving 100% to the accuracy and
>>>> success of the application.
>>>>
>>>> The IMAT Team: Volunteers: Rick Alfvin, Jon Rosdahl, Adrian
>>>> Stephens
>>>> Staff: Bob LaBelle, Greg Marchini, Jeric Newby
>>>>
>>>> Any questions can be directed to either Christina or Greg
>>>>
>>>> Thank you! Christina Boyce Manager Standards Solutions Services,
>>>> IEEE Standards 445 Hoes Lane Piscataway, NJ 08855 c.boyce@ieee.org
>>>> Phone
>>>> 732-562-5540 Cell 908-239-4038
>>>>
>>>> IEEE ? Advancing Technology for Humanity
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