Re: [802SEC] +++10 Day EC Email Ballot+++ 802.1aq book signing
I also have that recollection.
Regards,
Tony
On 24 May 2012 08:51, Pat Thaler <pthaler@broadcom.com> wrote:
> I recall signing events - there was one for the EPON book and, I think,
> another for a wireless book. I don't recall doing a motion in those cases.
>
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> Tony-
>
> On 235//12 10:02 AM, Tony Jeffree wrote:
> > Geoff -
> >
> > We have had similar signing events in the past for books published by
> > the IEEE on LAN topics, and have also had IEEE book stalls at our
> > Plenaries in the past, selling a wider range of IEEE publications.
>
> I do recall the IEEE having a table where they peddled goods from their
> profit making arms.
> I do not recall signing events.
> I recognize the similarity of this to the event we are talking about. I
> have never been wild about these but have recognized these are more or
> less part of what comes with the SA being a subsidiary of the
> Institute. I think the space between this and a signing event for the
> same merchandise is a shallow and slippery slope but I do think the line
> is right about here.
>
> > And actually, developing/selling standards is also supposed to be an
> > IEEE profit making operation - are you suggesting we are over the line
> > there too?
>
> While selling standards may or may not be (or supposed to be) a profit
> making operation, it is undertaken by an arm of the IEEE that is most
> definitely under the portion of the SA that is both "not for profit" and
> "for the benefit of humanity". They are "our (consensus) product"
> (rather than the independent product of some of our members).
>
> I have no problem with any activity or promotion that we take to sell
> standards. That is proper and not "over the line". I would have
> absolutely no problem with a booth at an 802 Plenary selling (at a
> premium even) signed copies of any of our standards. (Frankly I'm a
> little surprised that Roger hasn't done that already.)
>
>
> The issue here is the sanctioned promotion of the sale of a class of
> unballoted non-consensus publications that are potentially opinion
> pieces not subject to any of the checks and balances of the standards
> process.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Geoff
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 May 2012 17:45, Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org
> > <mailto:thompson@ieee.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Colleagues-
> >
> > As usual, I am not allowed to vote on this.
> > I am uncomfortable with this though as being overly commercial.
> > I think this activity dances on the line.
> >
> > This is a commercial promotion for a profit making operation
> > within the
> > IEEE.
> > We have had numerous other books written by standards luminaries
> > specifically and equally focused about other standards. They have
> > often
> > been published by others than the IEEE. I would find it difficult to
> > deny them equal opportunity to promote an equal (or better)
> > product that
> > was focused on one of our efforts.
> >
> > I don't think this is a clear call but I would rather we avoid the
> > line
> > than dance over it.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > On 235//12 7:01 AM, Tony Jeffree wrote:
> >
> > Paul has authorized me to run an email ballot on the following
> > motion:
> >
> > Motion: Grant permission to IEEE-SA staff to organize,
> > promote and conduct
> > sales of a book on 802.1aq, including author signing, at the
> > July 802
> > plenary.
> >
> > Moved: Jeffree Seconded: Thaler
> >
> > Background:
> >
> > This book, which is published through IEEE, was written by two
> > members of
> > the 802.1 WG who were contributors to the work on IEEE Std.
> > 802.1aq which
> > was approved by SASB in March 2012.
> >
> >
> >
> > This will be a 10-day ballot, closing on 3rd June 2012 AOE; as
> > per current
> > P&P I will terminate the ballot early if it is clear that the
> > outcome has
> > been decided.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tony
> >
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