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MINUTES OF COMMITTEE MEETING

RAIL TRANSIT VEHICLE INTERFACE STANDARDS COMMITTEE

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Meeting Date:           April 3-4, 2002

 

Meeting Location:     Sumitomo – Manhattan, NY

 

Attendees:                 

 

Jim Dietz

Michael Lewis

Steve Adkins

Alan Rumsey

Jeffrey Sisson

Nick Rassias

Paul Jamieson

Tom McGean

Ramesh Dhingra

Linda Sue Boehmer

John Ewing

Fred Woolsey

David Phelps

Tricia Gerdon

Jim Hoelscher

John LaForce

Tom Sullivan

Denny Pascoe

Harvey Glickenstein

Herb Zwilling

Bill Petit

Suresh Shrimavle

Jerry Graham

Howard Moody

Paul White

Alex Sinyak

Ray Davis

Luigi Dimichele

Binh Dinh

Harold Gillen

Bill Ackehurst

Carl Wessel

 

Serge Springer

Steve McElligott

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Attachments:

 

Attachment 1 -

Agenda

Attachment 2 -

List of members

Attachment 3 -

RTVISC Status Report

Attachment 4 -

APTA Standards Initiatives

Attachment 5 -

APTA Financial Support of RTVISC

Attachment 6 -

APTA Rolling Stock Equipment Technical Forum

Attachment 7 -

AAR Standards Development Plan

Attachment 8 -

OCS Status Report

Attachment 9

Picture of the Award presentation to Tom McGean

Attachment 10

WG 2 Status Report

Attachment 11

Proposal for dc Traction Substation Sub-Committee

Attachment 12

IEEE Std P-16/D4.1

 

Conventions used in these minutes:

 

Action items are shown in bold italics.  [Post meeting notes are show in italics, in square brackets].

Discussion:

 

Day 1

 

1.         Welcome

 

The Committee was welcomed by our host, Mr. Gino Antoniello, Executive Director of Sumitomo Corp. of America.  The Chair expressed our appreciation for Sumitomo’s hosting of this meeting.

 

2.         Agenda

 

The agenda is included as Attachment 1.  The order of discussion generally follows the order of the Agenda.

 

2.         Attendance

 

Attendance sheets were distributed and attendees are noted earlier in these minutes.  A current list of members with email addresses is provided as Attachment 2.  [Members should contact Patricia Gerdon of IEEE Standards (FAX 732 562-1571 or email  p.gerdon@ieee.org) with any corrections to this list or to their conventional address, phone or fax. Please do not contact the Chair. Since we are now doing electronic balloting it is essential Tricia have your current email address.]

 

3.         Progress report by Chair

 

The Chair reported that the eight original standards are complete, three standards are in ballot, seven standards are in process, five new PARs are being written, and substation standards are anticipated.  A graphic view of the progress in included as Attachment 3.

 

4.         APTA standards initiatives

 

APTA’s recent standards initiative activities were described by Dave Phelps using Attachment 4.  APTA has four committees looking at selected technical and operational standards.  Seven documents have been approved, seven are awaiting comment and several dozen are in the pipeline.  APTA is strengthening its support of RTVISC and other standards activities.  See the attachment for details.

 

5.         APTA financial support of RTVISC

 

TCRP funding is being withdrawn.  The APTA CEOs have stepped forward to support the RTVISC activities, in conjunction with an FTA grant application.  APTA’s role is to provide financial support.  Travel support for agency personnel is no longer available.  This is a problem and APTA is working to try and resolve the problem.  The order of magnitude of funding needed is $100k per year.  To help support the process of obtaining funding, letters from agencies should be sent to either David Phelps or William Millar or APTA.  See Attachment 5 for more details.

 

6.         APTA Rolling Stock Forum

 

Vehicle rosters, upcoming meetings, and workshops were discussed.  See Attachment 6 for details.

 

7.         APTA Procurement Task Force

 

This task force is working to streamline the procurement process through standards.  The Task Force is generally addressing items with a high payback and a short implementation cycle.  Work statements are under development.

 

8.         AAR standards development

 

The AAR Railway Electronics Task Force was described by Howard Moody.  The task force has identified standards for development.  There is some considerable overlap with RTVISC work and a need for close coordination.  AAR activities are described in detail in Attachment 7.

 

9.         Event Recorder NPRM

 

AAR has challenged the cost/benefit analysis associated with the new NPRM and is awaiting a response.  It was suggested that a letter from RTVISC might be appropriate.  Jim Dietz is to consider such a letter to Betty Monroe, Deputy Administrator of FRA.

 

10.       FRA and Positive Train Control

 

Comments have been provided to the NPRM for processor-based systems.  The FRA has no official position, yet.

 

11.       ASME rail standards

 

Two crashworthiness standards are under development.  RT1 is for light rail vehicles and RT2 is for rail vehicles.  Significant differences of opinion have led to the development of a task force to recommend an approach for these standards.

 

12.       ASHRAE standards

 

ASHRAE has agreed to develop a rail car air conditioning standard.  Leon Sanovich of NYCT has offered to chair the working group.  Contact Jim Dietz if you are interested in getting involved.

 

13.       ITS APTS Committee

 

Over the last year, much work has been done to develop TCIP communication profiles.  Independent assessments of whether these profiles are implementable and whether they meet the business cases are nearly complete.  The focus is on busses, but there is close coordination with WG9.

 

14.       Power, Signals, and Communication Technical Forum

 

The PSCTF is supporting the network gateway project that is conceived to be demonstrated on New Jersey Transit.  Letters soliciting interest are expected to be sent soon.

 

15.       LONMark Interoperability Association

 

The interoperability association is working closely with WG9 with regard to profiles.  The profiles developed for NYCT and NJT will be drawn upon for the development of standard profiles.

 

16.       Web site

 

RTVISC must develop a policy with regard to how companies are represented on the web site.  The fundamental issue is that IEEE is not a trade association, but rather a non-profit organization.  Dave Phelps and Tom Sullivan will draft a policy for review at the next meeting.  The policy must also be reviewed by an IEEE lawyer, with regard to 503C compliance.  Fundamentally, we cannot endorse any products or services.

 

17.       Meeting Minutes

 

It was noted to the WG Chairs that meeting minutes should not give the views of individuals, but only the final resolution of the group.  Basically, Actions, motions, and decisions are to be recorded.

 

18.       Overhead Catenary Systems Subcommittee

 

The OCS Sub-Committee reported that it had five proposed standards ready to be processed as PARs. [Post meeting note: the five are now approved by IEEE.  See the web site for details.]  There are 17 standards on the horizon for this subcommittee.  A major obstacle is the need for funding for transit agency personnel attendance.  The OCS status report is included as Attachment 8.

 

19.       IEEE Award to Tom McGean

 

In behalf of IEEE, Tricia Gerdon presented Tom McGean with an award for his years of excellent service as Chair of RTVISC.  Tom acknowledged Linda Sue Boehmer, Chris Jenks, Lou Sanders, Tom Sullivan, Norm Vutz, and Harvey Glickenstein as being key to the development of RTVISC.  A picture of the presentation of the award is included as Attachment 9.

 

20.       Transition of RTVISC Chair

 

Prior to the meeting, Tom McGean had announced his “retirement” as Chair of RTVISC.  In the meeting, Tom passed the gavel to Jim Dietz, Jim having been appointed as the new Chair by the Vehicular Technology Society.

 

21.       Working Group reports

 

WG2 is working on two standards.  P1474.2 is the user interface for CBTC, and is nearing completion.  IEEE Std 1474.1-1999 is the CBTC performance and functionality, and is due for updating in 2003.  The latter update will be coordinated with the ASCE Automated People Mover Committee, with hopes of achieving harmonized requirements.  See the full report in Attachment 10.

 

WG2b is developing the CBTC Wayside Environmental Standard.  A draft is available for review.

 

WG3, Event Recorder, will need a PAR extension

 

WG9 is defining data elements for basic operating units.  The balloting group needs more agency support.  A PAR revision will be necessary.

 

WG10, Battery Physical:  A recirculation ballot is being prepared as a result of one substantive change, post ballot.  [Post meeting note: the recirculation ballot has been released]

 

WG12, Software Documentation:  This draft standard is nearing the point of line-by-line review with the full Committee.  In the RTVISC Fall Meeting, Paul Jamieson will provide an introduction to how the standard will be used.  Line-by-line review may also begin in the fall meeting.  [Post meeting note:  line-by-line will now start at the Winter Meeting]

 

WG13, NiCad Battery:  This draft standard is essentially ready for ballot.  The ballot results will be presented at the next meeting.  [Post meeting note: the ballot passed!  Normal resolution of comments remain.]

 

WG 14, HRI Standards :  The ballot is in process. [Post meeting note: the ballot passed!  Normal resolution of comments remain.  A recirculation ballot will be necessary.]

 

WG15, Communication to and from a train:  The first meeting is pending.  Some 18 people have expressed interest so far.

 

22.       Electronic balloting

 

The spreadsheet method of accumulating ballot comments was discussed.  IEEE will consider the comments for the next ballot.

 

23.       Substation Sub-Committee

 

Herb Zwilling proposed the formation of a sub-committee to establish dc Traction Power Standards.  The proposal is included as Attachment 11.  The Committee voted to authorize the formation of this sub-committee.  [Post meeting note:  Initial members of the sub-committee met and nominated Gary Touryan as Chair of the sub-committee.  On the basis of the nomination, Jim Dietz appointed Gary as Chair.]

 

Day 2

 

24.       Line by line review of IEEE Std P-16/D4.0

 

Line-by line review proceeded through section 4.12.3.  Changes are annotated in D4.1, included as Attachment 12.  Review will continue at the Fall meeting.

 

 

Meeting Adjourned

 

Minutes prepared by Jim Dietz