Re: [ieee] RE: Hand Recounts of votes recorded on DREs

[Andrew Berg <andrewb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

(Sorry all, I just can't help myself.)

I consider myself neither particularly "obsessed" nor PARANOID, but the
accountant to whom I turn in expense reports seems to be both.

:)

-andrew

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:13:20 -0700, Pete Klammer <pklammer@comcast.net>
wrote:

> You "had to go inside to get a receipt" ???
>
> Why, were you "obsessed" with paper documentation?  Did you not fully
> trust
> a paperless transaction for a mere tankful of gas???  What are you,
> PARANOID?
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vern Williams [mailto:vernonw74@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:20 AM
>> To: Arthur Keller
>> Cc: williamsv@saic.com; Stanley A. Klein; Andrew Berg;
>> Hogzett, Robert; 'Barbara Simons'; pklammer@acm.org;
>> stds-1583-stg3@ieee.org; stds-1583-disc@ieee.org;
>> stds-1583-tg1@ieee.org; stds-1583-tg2@ieee.org
>> Subject: Re: [ieee] RE: Hand Recounts of votes recorded on DREs
>>
>> One of the differences that you did not address is the 22 month
>> retention requirement and the handling required to look at the paper
>> record and then cancel it and vote again if you did not select the
>> correct candidate the first time.  Additionally, ATMs are in constant
>> use, not put away for 2 years between uses.  I have had to go to a
>> different ATM several (~5 times that I can specifically
>> remember) times
>> due to one not working.  I do not know if it was out of ink, paper or
>> money, but it was not available to use.  Additionally, the receipt
>> printer at Gas stations have reliability problems as well and
>> I have had
>> to go inside many times to get a receipt.
>> R/ Vern
>>
>>
>> Arthur Keller wrote:
>>
>> > Does someone know how often ATMs go down because their
>> printers don't
>> > work.  Putting a new ink cartridge at the start of an
>> election should
>> > solve most of those problems.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Arthur
>> >
>> > At 11:16 AM -0600 12/10/04, Vern Williams wrote:
>> >
>> >> Stan,
>> >> I think you need a reality check.  The most failure prone
>> component of
>> >> the "paper trail" system you seem so obsessed with is the
>> printer with
>> >> it's mechanical parts and ink delivery system.  You state
>> many of your
>> >> pet opinions as fact which is far from true.
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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