Re: [ieee] RE: Hand Recounts of votes recorded on DREs

[Cem Kaner <kaner@xxxxxxxxx>]

Of course your accountant expects receipts. Of course the IRS expects
receipts.

Just like the voters expect receipts.

-- cem kaner


On Dec 13, 2004, at 10:54 AM, Andrew Berg wrote:

> (Sorry all, I just can't help myself.)
>
> I consider myself neither particularly "obsessed" nor PARANOID, but the
> accountant to whom I turn in expense reports seems to be both.
>
> :)
>
> -andrew
>
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:13:20 -0700, Pete Klammer <pklammer@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> You "had to go inside to get a receipt" ???
>>
>> Why, were you "obsessed" with paper documentation?  Did you not fully
>> trust
>> a paperless transaction for a mere tankful of gas???  What are you,
>> PARANOID?
>>
>> --
>> Pete Klammer, P.E. / ACM(1970), IEEE(SA,P1583), ICCP(CCP), NSPE(PE)
>>    3200 Routt Street / Wheat Ridge, Colorado 80033-5452
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>>    "Either Be Good, or Else Be Careful, but Do Have Fun! "
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vern Williams [mailto:vernonw74@earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:20 AM
>>> To: Arthur Keller
>>> Cc: williamsv@saic.com; Stanley A. Klein; Andrew Berg;
>>> Hogzett, Robert; 'Barbara Simons'; pklammer@acm.org;
>>> stds-1583-stg3@ieee.org; stds-1583-disc@ieee.org;
>>> stds-1583-tg1@ieee.org; stds-1583-tg2@ieee.org
>>> Subject: Re: [ieee] RE: Hand Recounts of votes recorded on DREs
>>>
>>> One of the differences that you did not address is the 22 month
>>> retention requirement and the handling required to look at the paper
>>> record and then cancel it and vote again if you did not select the
>>> correct candidate the first time.  Additionally, ATMs are in constant
>>> use, not put away for 2 years between uses.  I have had to go to a
>>> different ATM several (~5 times that I can specifically
>>> remember) times
>>> due to one not working.  I do not know if it was out of ink, paper or
>>> money, but it was not available to use.  Additionally, the receipt
>>> printer at Gas stations have reliability problems as well and
>>> I have had
>>> to go inside many times to get a receipt.
>>> R/ Vern
>>>
>>>
>>> Arthur Keller wrote:
>>>
>>> > Does someone know how often ATMs go down because their
>>> printers don't
>>> > work.  Putting a new ink cartridge at the start of an
>>> election should
>>> > solve most of those problems.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Arthur
>>> >
>>> > At 11:16 AM -0600 12/10/04, Vern Williams wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Stan,
>>> >> I think you need a reality check.  The most failure prone
>>> component of
>>> >> the "paper trail" system you seem so obsessed with is the
>>> printer with
>>> >> it's mechanical parts and ink delivery system.  You state
>>> many of your
>>> >> pet opinions as fact which is far from true.
>>> >
>>> > <snip>
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>> generation to
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>>>
>>>   --John Quincy Adams
>>>
>>>
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>>> Senior Security Engineer / Analyst, SAIC
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> andrewb@votehere.com
>
>
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