SUO: Query: De Rerum Natura?

[Jon Awbrey <jawbrey@oakland.edu>]

Mason, James David (MXM) wrote:
> 
> SUO Group:
> 
> This just came from the XML Topic Map group.
> Since Peirce's work comes up so frequently here,
> I thought I'd forward it to the SUO list:
> it shows another approach to representing
> Peirce's concepts.
> 
> Jim Mason
> James David Mason, Ph.D.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:     guy.a.lukes@frb.gov [SMTP:guy.a.lukes@frb.gov]
> > Sent:     Thursday, November 02, 2000 08:37 a.m.
> > To:       xtm-wg@egroups.com
> > Subject:  Re: [xtm-wg] The Nature of Things ...
> >
> > I have been investigation the philosophy of Peirce,
> > that is sometimes mentioned on this list, and wanted
> > to relate it to some of the ideas that are coming out
> > of the XTM modeling group.
> >
> > First Peirce makes the distinction between:
> >
> > ICON      Is an intersection of property values given meaning
> >           by capturing a quality of experience
> >
> > INDEX     Is a token given meaning by pointing to
> >           an existent thing or event
> >
> > SYMBOL    Is a type given meaning by a structured network
> >           of typed connections to other symbols
> >
> > A symbol can be treated (cast) as an index or an icon.
> > An index can be treated as an icon.
> > An index cannot represent the distinctions of a symbol, and
> > an icon cannot represent the distinctions of either an index or a symbol.
> >
> > This suggests a class inheritance relationship between the three concepts.
> >
> > These three concepts are also very close to the topic map
> > TOPIC, OCCURRENCE, and FACET concepts, where ASSOCIATIONS
> > and their ROLES provide the structure of the network of
> > connections between symbols.  These connections provide
> > an interpretation of the relationship between symbols.
> > Different interpretations will require a different
> > network of associations.
> >
> > Therefore, Peirce talks about how a coherent set of associations
> > needs to be linked to an interpretant.  Although there may be
> > many different interpretations for the same set of symbols,
> > each interpretation would haveto be in its own sub-network
> > of associations.
> >
> > In Topic Maps this idea of interpretant is very close to the concept of SCOPE.
> > Scope provides a discriminant to disambiguate some distinction of interpretation.
> > In theory, this could be done by establishing connections to detectable property
> > values (iconic), establishing a connection to an existing thing or event (indexical),
> > or establishing a connection to an abstract type (symbolic).  In this case, since an
> > interpretant is trying to disambiguate associations between topic/symbols, a connection
> > to an abstract type by a typed link seems the appropriate choice.  In this case scope just
> > becomes a built in role with predefined semantics.
> >
> > If there are going to be structured levels of interpretation
> > then ASSOCIATION should inherit from TOPIC.  This would allow
> > second order associations (structuring interpretation) to organize
> > first order associations (cast as topics).  These first order associations
> > could then structure normal topic "primitives" in the standard way using their
> > association interface.
> >
> > While all of this could be exported as RDF for transport,
> > it would loose the inherent semantics for the distinctions
> > that are intrinsic to a Topic Map.
> >
> > While a specific example would probably help to make this a lot clearer,
> > I think I should probably stop and see if anyone else finds these ideas
> > interesting, useful or misguided.
> >
> > Guy
> >
> > PS
> > I have never seen an example of XTM that included the use of facets.
> > I would be particularly interest in an example that includes an association.
> > If facets are to be replaced by something else, an example of the new syntax
> > would also be interesting.
> >
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To Whom It May Be Disposed To Answer:

There is much to discuss here,
but first two preliminaries:

1.  What do you mean by "facets"?

2.  Are you identifying "interpretant" with "interpreter"?

Thanks in Prospect,

Jon Awbrey 

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