ONT Re: Exclusion
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Jim,
I am not sure what you mean by a "bounced message".
I usually take that to mean one that I get sent
back to me by a list server or mailer daemon
with some explict message attached that
explains its processing status.
The message to which you just replied was sent
to the main SUO address, but has not been
archived or distributed so far as I can
tell, nor has it been "bounced" in the
sense that I just described.
Messages that I post to both the SUO address and the Ontology address,
as I will do with this one, get put up at the SUO archive, with the
ONT prefix attached, but only get distributed to the Ontology list,
so far as I can tell from several experiments. That is all the
data that I have at this time.
Jon Awbrey
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Schoening, James R CECOM DCSC4I wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> Could you send me a copy of a bounced message.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawbrey@oakland.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:22 PM
> To: Stand Up Ontology
> Cc: Schoening, James R CECOM DCSC4I
> Subj: Re: Exclusion
>
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> Jim,
>
> As far as I can tell, the messages that I send to
> the main SUO address by itself neither get posted
> to the archive nor distributed. There does seem
> to be this anomaly that messages copied to both
> the Ontology and the SUO list get posted to the
> SUO archive with the ONT prefix, but only get
> distributed to the Ontology list, as I have
> ascertained by experimenting with various
> combinations of sub and unsub statuses.
> I get no bounce from a mailer daemon
> or anything. I'll send this to SUO.
>
> Jon Awbrey
>
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> Schoening, James R CECOM DCSC4I wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > I had requested a block at one point in time, but IEEE never
> > responded, so I assumed it wasn't going to happen. I'm not
> > sure if they followed through with the block, or when they did.
> >
> > I believe you posted something on 1/8/02.
> >
> > Could you send me a bounced message and I'll look into it.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawbrey@oakland.edu]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 4:31 PM
> > To: Schoening, James R CECOM DCSC4I
> > Subject: Exclusion
> >
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> > Jim,
> >
> > My postings to the main SUO list are still being blocked.
> > Since this is not in accord with our agreement, I am
> > assuming that it must be some sort of oversight.
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> >
> > Jon Awbrey
> >
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> > Schoening, James R CECOM DCSC4I wrote:
> > >
> > > Jon,
> > > Agreed.
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawbrey@oakland.edu]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:14 PM
> > > To: Stand Up Ontology
> > > Cc: Gentle Ontology Group
> > > Subject: ONT YWT 17 Dec 2001
> > >
> > > $~~~~~~~~~$~~~~~~~~~$~~~~~~~~~$~~~~~~~~~$~~~~~~~~~$
> > >
> > > my new format gets rave review!
> > >
> > > Jim Schoening writes:
> > > >
> > > > Subj: Moderating Your Postings
> > > > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:13:57 -0500
> > > > From: Schoening, James R <James.Schoening@mail1.monmouth.army.mil>
> > > > To: Jon Awbrey <jawbrey@oakland.edu>
> > > >
> > > > Jon,
> > > >
> > > > I've been working with IEEE on how to moderate your postings.
> > > > It's technically feasible, but will be difficult, and it will
> > > > mean that new people subscribing won't be able to post until
> > > > I manually add their address to a list of approved posters.
> > > >
> > > > Another alternative is to require new subscribers to get approval
> > > > before being added to the list. I could delete your address and
> > > > you would not be able to resubscribe. You would still have access
> > > > to postings from the archive.
> > > >
> > > > As such, I am asking you to voluntarily cease postings directly to SUO.
> > > > If you'd like to post something, you can send it to me and I'll forward
> > > > it if I feel it contributes something.
> > > >
> > > > If you agree, we can leave things as they are.
> > > > If you don't, I will make the electronic changes.
> > > >
> > > > Please let me know, through email or your actions,
> > > > if you agree to voluntarily not post to the SUO list.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > >
> > > $~~~~~~~~~$~~~~~~~~~$~~~~~~~~~$~~~~~~~~~$~~~~~~~~~$
> > >
> > > jim,
> > >
> > > this would be a waste of effort on your part, as i would
> > > not participate in any community where i am not accorded
> > > the status of a first-class citizen. i would insist on
> > > a vote to expell, or some other token of due process,
> > > before acceding to your censorship.
> > >
> > > i hope you understand that no member of this group works for you,
> > > nor does any participant incur the obligation to follow your orders.
> > > we all volunteer our time and our expertise as members of the public
> > > on which the dictates and the effects of any standard must ultimately
> > > bear, and as members of our respective private and professional groups,
> > > our personal commitments to which, and the duties and responsibilites of
> > > which, trump any desire that sundry special interest groups might have to
> > > achieve spurious forms of apparent, forced, local, or short-term consensus.
> > >
> > > let me suggest this compromise:
> > >
> > > i will voluntarily restrain my postings to the main suo list --
> > > or "posings", as the case may be -- to one or fewer summary
> > > reports per day, for the near future, at least.
> > >
> > > would that be satisfactory to you?
> > >
> > > looks like a slow news day, anyway,
> > > so why do we count this as "one".
> > >
> > > it was a day like any other day,
> > > only you were there 17 Dec 2001.
> > >
> > > jon awbrey
> > >
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