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Re: A NEW FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FORMAL MOTION: was RE: SUO: Re: SUO Ballot with 2 Questions


Hi all,

Only a few comments on specifics points from Eric Peterson's:
http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg09673.html
 
 

> [ELP] "Standardization" ("http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary";) is not
> creation. "Standardization" is a transitive verb and therefore requires
> something to be standardized.  Wouldn't we agree that the thing to be
> standardized is "practice" - that we are specifying a standard practice?

If you mean that in spite of lot of various ontologies floating around
there is no such thing that could be recognised as a "common practice",
I agree with you.

> Even if this group could or should toss out those members that don't
> really believe in a single SUO, the relatively unified remaining group
> members (including myself) would not be able to let go of their pet
> content.  The content merging process would be a battle at every
> pair/group of competing axioms.

EXCELLENT!
In the same paragraph you manage to deride the "non-believers" 
AND to provide support for their position!
I have a few suggestions:

- Are not you confusing "content" with "form", i.e. an UPPER ontology should
not contain anything SPECIFIC for
any domain ("pet content"), only sort of "meta" ontological statements (think IFF ;-)

- If you don't understand your ennemies you have no chances to defeat them,
and obviously you have NO CLUE why, at least John Sowa and myself, are close
to killing you on the unique ontology idea.

- I think "tossing out" members is a little timorous, when people where really serious about
ontologies
they used to BURN ALIVE those who didn't believe (it was just called the DARK AGES...)


> Even if I could will us into unity, and we could garner the spare time,
> it would take five years of merging and creation, and another five to
> see it used and proven.

I am glad you are still optimistic, the "united SUO group" will bring
success (at last) in 10 years and at very little cost, where the poor simpletons at
Cyc failed (still with lots of PhDs, 20 years and $50 million), see:

http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=00063887-5C1E-1C6D-84A9809EC588EF21

Which link you already did got from Bob Clarke's message
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/semanticweb/message/1001
but probably didn't bother to read.

> FWIW,

Yes, this is the question...

Best.

-- Jean-Luc Delatre
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