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SUO: RE: Lifecycle Integration Schema




Dear Jon,

See comment at end.


Matthew West
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawbrey@att.net]
> Sent: 30 September 2003 15:29
> To: SUO; West, Matthew R SITI-ITPSIE
> Subject: Re: Lifecycle Integration Schema
> 
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> LIS.  Discussion Note 66
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> JA = Jon Awbrey
> MW = Matthew West
> 
> Matthew,
> 
> I'm not sure I understood your comment below.
> And I need to correct one lapse of a tension,
> to wit, extension, that is liable to lead to
> misunderstanding if not attended to 4th-with.
> 
> JA: In this context, then, I listed the following four dimensions,
>     that have been recognized over time, historically speaking,
>     as providing a frame of reference for describing the
>     phenomenon or the problem that we have in view:
> 
> JA: 1.  The Term.
> 
>         For example, "sweetness", the noun form of the 
> adjective "sweet".
> 
> JA: 2.  The Concept.
> 
>         For example, "sweetness", something like a noun in the mind.
> 
> JA: 3.  The Property.
> 
>         For example, sweetness, that may also be referred to
>         as an intension or a quality of the thing in question,
>         though some will make further distinctions among these.
> 
> JA: 4.  The Set.
> 
>         For example, the set of sweet things, that comprises
>         the extension of either the term "sweetness" or the
>         concept "sweetness", according to one's taste.
> 
> Cut me a little bit of slack at this point, as I learned this 
> bit about
> equivocal names, general denotations, and plural references 
> rather late
> in life, long after I had gotten habituated to the 
> set-theoretic way of
> thinking about things, and so it's easy to slip up, namely, 
> up to a set
> of objects as a hypostatically abstract object in its own 
> right or meta-
> category, when in fact a more nominal strategy would not 
> admit any such
> things to its theatre of operations.
> 
> The right way to say it, in the nominal sense of "right", if 
> you choose
> to speak of the extensions of terms and concepts without 
> wanting to pay
> the price of buying a token for the type <set>, goes somewhat 
> like this:
> 
> 5.  The Extension of a Term or a Concept.
> 
>     For example, the extension of the term or the concept "sweet"
>     is all of the things in the pertinent universe of discourse,
>     or all of the things known at a given state of information,
>     of which the general term "sweet" is evalued as being true.
> 
> Here I have been careful not to invoke, at least, not formally,
> not in the "object language" as some would say, the apparently
> invidious notion that there is over and above sweet things, an
> abstract object that is what all the (rest of the) world would
> call the "set" of sweet things.
> 
> Nevertheless, we are still free, under carefully circumscribed
> engagements of terms, to use our informal language and manners
> of speaking about sets, just so long as we never use, formally,
> what we thus mention in scary quotations.
> 
> In this circumloquacious manner, one is supposed to be able to
> say that the extension of the term or the concept "sweet" is
> all of the things in the set of sweet things, without being
> ontologically committed to saying that the extension of the
> term or the concept "sweet" 'is' the set of sweet things.
> Or so it is said.  And here we begin to see what really
> burdens the architexture of nominal thinking, not the
> burden of excess ideas but the burden of words, for
> all of the circumlocutions that are necessary to
> maintain its manor are far more encumbering and
> far more exorbitant in their upkeep than the
> few spare economies that may be provided by
> setting the right ideas in the right places.
> 
> At any rate, it is still a good idea to start from a nominal start,
> if for no better reason in the end than that it gives us a chance
> to see how the run of "hypostatic abstraction" (HA) gets going,
> and just so long as we do not mistake the starting gate for
> the finish line.
> 
> Finally, nobody but nobody would want to say, if they stop
> for a moment to think about it, that the term or the concept
> "sweet" denotes the set of sweet things.  It either denotes in
> a singular number the property of being sweet or it denotes in
> a plural number the things that are in the set, but it does not
> denote in a singular number the set itself.  Non-nominal thought
> engages the term "set of sweets" for that properly singular role.
> 
> JA: And at this point you have said that you see a way
>     to dispense with 1 of these 4 dimensions, or maybe
>     to collate 2 of them into 1, leaving 3 as the only
>     3 dimensions that we need to save the appearances.
> 
> JA: Sound familiar?
> 
> JA: My question is:  How can we be assured that you are
>     collating dimensions, and not just conflating them?
> 
> MW: Well if the property is in the axiom, then it may just be
>     that it is the piece of work that is left, since we only
>     have taxonomic and structural axioms at present.
> 
> This is the comment that I did not understand.
> 

MW: To put it another way, what is a property?

> Jon Awbrey
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