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Re: onto-std@ksl.stanford.edu



Philip,

I would agree with your assessment.  There is still a substantial amount of work to be done in regards to arriving at any sort an ontological standard, assuming we are able to arrive at one, and the open-source approach may very well be a good fit for this follow-on effort.

Regards,
Ken

On 6/24/07, Philip Jackson <phil.jackson@computer.org> wrote:
Ergun,
 
This is a good suggestion, but it does not seem to address to the root of John's question. Effort is still required, whether it is to develop a standard ontology, or a standard for qualifying ontologies, or a set of common, useful ontology frameworks. The funding and coordination of such effort are still challenges.
 
I also think that our previous discussions showed it would be very challenging to get agreement on anything as a "standard", hence my suggestion that we should start just by focusing on development of common, useful ontology kernels / frameworks. If we can cross that bridge and actually develop frameworks that we and others find useful, eventually one or more of them may become de facto standards.
 
Without some major source of funding, it seems that a good option (and perhaps the only feasible option) would be to follow the model of the open-source software development community, which has been able to successfully address the challenges of funding and coordination in many cases, for different kinds of software and software frameworks.
 
Phil


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Dear all,

Maybe what can be done is to develop standards that can actually qualify the upper ontologies developed or the algorithms used to develop such ontologies so that they "can be called
a standard".

That way, we may be free from thinking about how we are going to build them and just worry about the access to them.

So, the question would be reduced to "given an upper ontology for a given domain or an algorithm for developing such upper ontology, what is its quality / can this be a standard?" ( i.e. pertaining to its (intra/inter-)consistency and reliability).

Ergun

On 6/24/07, John F. Sowa <sowa@bestweb.net > wrote:
Phil,

I agree that would be a useful thing to do:

> Rather than seek to develop a "standard", perhaps the focus
> should be on developing "common", useful ontology kernels /
> frameworks....

But who is going to pay for it.  If it's going to be done by
volunteers, who is going to coordinate the volunteers, and
how do you ensure consistency, reliability, etc.?

As for systems that people have paid money to build, Cyc is
the premier example.  But after 23 years of development, it
still does not generate enough money to keep itself in business
without a major influx of research grants.

Over the years of SUO efforts, we went round and round on these
funding issues without getting answers that had money attached.

John