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Motion P1788/0022.01: ContinuityBit -- discussion perios begins

P-1788 (in response to Dan),

Yes, let me make that official:  The discussion period for Motion 22 herewith
begins.  (For temporary reference, I have attached a copy of it, which John
promises to correct soon.)  Discussion will continue until after October 3, 2010.

Juergen:  Please post this information on the web page.

William: Please record this in the minutes.

John: You can pass along corrections  at
      any point during the discussion you feel is appropriate.

Best regards,

Baker

P.S. I thank Juergen at this point for his web page maintenance activities.
     That has turned out to be valuable for us.

On 9/12/2010 09:00, Dan Zuras Intervals wrote:

Subject: Re: Do I have a second? Re: Motion on decoration bit to verify continuity
From: John Pryce<j.d.pryce@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:08:55 +0100
To: P1788<stds-1788@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Nate, Baker , Officers

I'm going to send this round the officers for their views on procedure.


	(I reply to everyone on grounds that they
	might as well hear the answer too. :-)



On 11 Sep 2010, at 21:20, Nate Hayes wrote:

If you would be willing to change the proposal from "discontinuous"

to "defined and continuous," then I would proffer an ethusiastic second
to the motion. Otherwise, I fear my vote would be a reluctant "no" if
this change is not made.

It seems to me that under Roberts' rules there is a tailor-made way to
handle this. You propose the above change as an Amendment. You will
obviously kick off the discussion with your reasons for the change.
Whichever way the vote goes on that, I will accept the democratic
result and would be happy for one of us to be proposer and the other
be second on the (amended or unamended) motion. Will you agree the same?


	Yes, John, that is EXACTLY the correct Robert's Rules
	course of action.

	The sequence is:
	(1) You propose a motion.
	(2) It is seconded.  (I will second it right now to move
	things along.)
	(3) During the discussion period (which I guess we are in
	right now), Nate proposes his amendment.
	(4) Nate's amendment is seconded.  (I will also second that
	if only to give it a fair hearing.)
	(5) Your original motion is tabled while the amendment is
	discussed.
	(6) The amendment is voted on.  If it passes it becomes
	part of the motion.  If it does not, the motion remains
	as you proposed it.
	(7) The motion (amended or not) is taken off the table&
	discussion resumes.  Additional amendments may be made.
	(8) The motion (amended or not) is voted on.
	(9) We all move on to other things in our lives.



(I'm not sure: if the amendment goes Nate's way, does he become the
owner of the amended motion?)

Regards

John


	No, you are the owner of the motion either way.  Nate is
	the owner of the amendment.  The seconders just get to
	see their name in the big book.  (Mine is always last
	alphabetically.  Its a genetic thing.  I get it from my
	father. :-)

	In ordinary parliamentary procedure there would also be
	the issue of whether it was a vote decided by the chairman
	on hearing the yeas&  nays or whether someone questioned
	the chairman's judgement&  called for the roll to record
	each vote by name.

	But in our 21st century environment our secretary gets
	the names of each voter along with the vote.  So as long
	as that information is archived somewhere it will be
	there for future historians to have fun with.

	Ain't parliamentary procedure fun?

	I can't wait until someone calls a point of order...


				Dan


	BTW, a point of order is how you tell people that Nate
	should be making an amendment. :-)




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