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Re: Discussion paper: what are the level 2 datums?



Arnold Neumaier wrote:
Nate Hayes wrote:
Arnold Neumaier wrote:
Anyway, one must be able to conclude from the decoration whether or not
an interval is valid, and one needs at least operations extracting the four trits v d c b from a tetrit representation.

Agreed.

Any interval with a "domain" decoration (F,F) is invalid. This is also the "worst" state of a tetrit, i.e., by the propagation rules of tetrits it is impossible that (F,F) could ever be "absorbed", "lost", or "changed" into another state that is either better or worse. So it is the perfect state to represent invalid constructions and/or uninitialized interval variables.

The new domain tetrit provides the four states:

   priority    tetrit    trit    meaing
   3            (T,F)    +       "is defined"
   2            (T,T)    0        "possibly defined"
   1            (F,T)    -        "is undefined"
   0            (F,F)             "nowhere defined, nowhere undefined"

The first three states and thier meaning are the same as the old trits. But with trits, there was not an equivalent of the (F,F) state, which essentially makes the distinction of "v" in the above example.

I'm fairly certain the only decorations IEEE 1788 needs are "defined", "continuous", and "bounded".

We need all four. But we can dispense with the ohers.

If we were still using trits, then "v" might be needed. But since we are now using tetrits I believe "v" is not necessary.

Does the interpretational difference matter when there are only 10 different combinations that are useful? With tetrits it shoudn't be significantly more.

Tetrits simplify and reduce the number of "unusable" combinations.

In place of 3^4=81 we have now 4^3=64 combinations.
A slight reduction, but still far off the 10 or so useful ones.

Right. But keep in mind, too, that "defined and continous" will only be a single bit (and not a tetrit) if Motion 22 passes. So between the "domain" and "defined and continous" decorations that is only 2*4=8 combinations, of which 3 would be useless. However, there is no way to represent 5 states in fewer than 3 bits of information, anwyays.

Nate Hayes





So one can probably map the trit formulation and the tetrit formulation equivalently to 10 (or 16) abstract decoration objects that are just organized differently by the two formulations.

Yes.

It would be nice to have an explicit such correspondence.


Arnold Neumaier