Re: P1788/M0024.03:RoundedOperations: PLEASE VOTE
Michel,
I would need to dig deep into my records at this point to see what
parts of our approved P&P are specific to us and what parts
(I believe most) are pre-specified by IEEE.
It would not be trivial, and it would take some time
(with official approval from appropriate IEEE bodies) to
change our P&P at this point. Furthermore, IEEE requires
some parts. In any case, I don't think
it is a good idea to change the rules in the middle of a
particular vote.
Regarding removal from the roster for non-voting, that is
definitely being enforced independently of the outcome
of any particular vote. This is analogous to a widespread
rule in standards bodies to remove people from the roster
who fail to attend two in-person meetings; it is meant
to make it possible to continue to conduct business when
there are inactive participants, and also to encourage
participation.
Baker
On 7/19/2011 8:13 AM, Michel Hack wrote:
Current tally: 27 Yes; 7 No; required for quorum: 38
In other words, we just need four more NO votes for the motion to pass. :(
Come on guys and gals, aren't some of us mathematicians? Can we not come
up with a sensible quorum rule that avoids this issue? This came up before,
but eventually the discussion fizzled without resolution.
Perhaps the problem is inherent in open voting. We don't want to pass a
motion without a reasonable quorum, but it also seems silly that deliberate
refusal to vote can be used to force an outcome. The exclusion from further
voting after two non-votes was supposed to stabilize the procedure (by making
the next quorum smaller) -- but I haven't heard this rule mentioned recently,
perhaps because it doesn't apply to position papers.
Here is one possible rule: If the quorum has not been reached by the end
of the voting period, but either YES or NO votes exceed quorum/2, then the
quorum is deemed to have been reached. This avoids a motion being passed
by too small a number of votes, but also avoids the problem at hand.
Michel.
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