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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] PDT MAPC PASN (11-25/1049r0)

Hi Jay,

My issue is I'm not sure we agree on what was actually motioned. I agree that there is an agreement to use PASN.  I don't agree that the use of PASN is exclusive. For instance, I can identify deployment requirements were it would be more appropriate to use IEEE 802.1X authentication for instance (centralizing authorization for MAPC establishment, for example). 

For this reason, I think we should make the protocol more generic and encapsulate the contents of an authentication frame rather than define a specific authentication protocol for this purpose.

I have two issues:
1) A MAPC connection is between two peer APs that are operating BSS(s) and use a separate discovery process. To differentiate MAPC establishment from infrastructure connections, the authentication protocol should be encapsulated within the MAPC Negotiation Request/Response frames.
2) I have no issues with using PASN for authentication. However I think the authentication protocol for MAPC should be generic enough to use any authentication prrotocol (including 802.1X). 

At this point, I cannot support the text you are proposing but I believe it is possible to address my comments by modifying the contribution. I will not be in Helsinki and would like to discuss this offline so that we can come to an agreement on the updates to your contribution.

Thanks,

Mike

On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 2:53 PM <yang.zhijie@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Mike,


Thanks for the response.


First, the current PDT is aligned with the passed motion,it will be good if you can point out any technical issue on current revision.


I'm happy to reconsider your comment if you can address the following technical issue:

If I recalled correctly, you propose to encapsulate PASN frame body into action frame,the problem is that the 2-PASN frame can't be included into the protected dual of action MGMT frames as the A-pub must be disclosed outside, therefore, I don't know how to protect the MAPC agreement within three PASN frames.


No worry, we could continue the discussion via reflector or F2F talk in any session.




Thanks


Best Regards


Jay Yang (杨志杰)



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From: MMontemurro <montemurro.michael@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2025年07月21日 22:47
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] PDT MAPC PASN (11-25/1049r0)
Hi Jay,

I reviewed your contribution and the document does not include changes with respect to comments that we provided you offline. 

Unfortunately, I will not be in Helsinki and was wondering if you could address our comments in a revised version. 

We would be happy to discuss the document with you in Madrid.

Cheers,

Mike

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 9:52 PM Jay Yang <yang.zhijie@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi All,


MAPC PASN PDT is updated to R1 now based on some offline feedback (see it in the attachment), welcome the further comments.





Thanks


Best Regards


Jay Yang (杨志杰)



Original
From: 杨志杰
Date: 2025年07月01日 15:17
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] PDT MAPC PASN (11-25/1049r0)

Hi Alfred,


Could you help put MAPC PASN PDT(11-25/1049r0 https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/25/11-25-1049-00-00bn-pdt-mac-mapc-pasn-part-1.docx) to the MAC agenda?


Dear MAPC TTTs ,


MAPC PASN PDT is ready now, please help review it, and welcome your valuable comments.  




Thanks


Best Regards


Jay Yang (杨志杰)



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