Re: [STDS-802-16] Comment 332
Title: Message
1) 
Don't know. The spec seems silent on the matter. I always assumed it would be 
left open, so the station can be managed any time the network chooses. Comment 
332 would give an answer.
 
2) 
My reading of the spec suggests that the SM connection has a direct 
plumbing of IP frames into the bottom of a distinct IP stack, with a location 
that is undefined. It floats somewhere in the management plane. Possibly the Mac 
CPS management entity.
 
I see 
nothing that comes close to suggesting that it passed through the CS_SAP. Indeed 
this doesn't fit the model, since we have multiple CS types, not all of which 
support IP traffic. Also the text weakly describes the encapsulation (6.3.1.1) 
by referring to 5.2.7; If the CS were really in the loop, when we would invoke 
an IP packet CS, rather than referring to a subclause within the IP packet CS to 
describe a specific encapsulation that takes place in the management 
plane.
 
Of 
course there is no management behaviour.. its out of scope. Figure 1 says so. 
Which one is wrong? Is it the management behaviour or figure 
1?
 
If we 
have a secondary management channel and an independent management IP stack, this 
still does not mean that SNMP must run over it. In fact, with a separate stack, 
you could argue that there is a separate MIB space for that stack, so you could 
hypothetically run SNMP over both and have them both interact with different 
MIBs.
 
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This 
gets to the core of my problem with the secondary management 
connection.
 
It is 
not a bad idea. A parallel management network is a fine idea in a managed 
network and has been used widely elsewhere.
 
It is 
however, not a well defined thing in 802.16. We do not know exactly what the 
details are. Where do the MPDUs go? Where is the IP stack? How does SNMP 
interact with it? Does it have separate mibbage? Is there an IP Packet CS or is 
it just simple encapsulation? Does the connection persist? Should it be 
auto restarted if it fails? What triggers the IP level activity such as DHCP in 
the IP stack? How does the IP stack know what's happening below in 
the 802.16 management plane? Is is a magic IP stack with side plumbing into 
the 802.16 MAC state so that internal triggers can fire these 
events?
 
Given that a secondary management connection 
could be well defined and there is certainly not universal support for my public 
position of removing it, I did not bother making that comment; it would not 
pass. Instead I hoped that we could improve it a bit so that some of these 
issues are resolved. Comment 332 goes some of the way to improving matters and 
should be supported but there is more to do.
 
Some 
of this can be cleaned up by having a cleanly defined management service 
interface, with primitives for the transport of the SMC IP traffic between 
the managament plane and the management IP stack. Then the structure 
would be clear, the IP stack would be in the NMS in figure 1. The rules 
associate with the MLME_SAP primitives for carrying the traffic would clear up 
any doubt about the encapsulation. We will find if this sort of thing has 
traction in Netman.
 
DJ
 
  
  
  There appears to be a couple of issues in 
  relation to the resolution of comment 332 that appear not to have been given 
  consideration and which I would like the resolution of the comment to cover if 
  possible.
  1)      Whether to 
  keep the SM open or not after the initialisation. 
2)      Whether traffic 
  normally carried over SM does pass through CS SAP (or not). 
  Can anyone help us with references to the 
  text that would help clarify these issues. 
  On a related topic, it seems that SNMP 
  management of SS is most easily achieved if this management traffic flows 
  through the CS SAP.
  If secondary management is not handled in 
  this way, it appears additional complexity will be introduced in the BS (SNMP 
  proxy).
  Ravi 
  Ravi Joganathan 
Senior Software Engineer 
Airspan 
  Networks Inc