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Re: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] SMF Ad Hoc

Hi John and the rest of the group,
  Here I am sharing with you part of the conversation I already had with John regarding the MPI calculation in 10GEPBud3_1_16a.xls.
  In the Excel file, you enter RX/TX return loss values, the geometrical mean of the these are then calculated by the Excel and the "Upper bound method" by Vipul/Pete is used to calculate the eye closure. The results are then discounted by
- Channel Insertion loss considering the triple-reflection nature of RX/TX reflection
- Discount factor (currently set to 0.6) to represent the phase randomization effect

 I have two basic reservations on this method
- The connector return-loss is not modeled. Probably the rational behind that was the Connector RL is much lower than RX/TX. However, this is not reasonable because (a) Unlike the RX/TX triple reflection, a reflection that includes the connector does not see the channel three times and it may go through IL as minimum as only once. (b) With 4 connectors, you get 14 extra reflections is addition to RX/TX. The cumulative effect of these cannot be ignored even with connectors return loss being low. You can scroll down in this email and look at my original calculations as an example.
- Applying a flat discount of 0.6 (or anything for that matter) to model phase randomization is probably not the correct way to do this. This is even worse if you add FEC (lets say to PSM4). Proper interaction of MPI with FEC should be analyzed.
On the positive side, I do agree with the following
- The phase randomization should not be ignored and should be modeled correctly. I am working on this and may share something with you comes May meeting.
- I recommend replacing the upper bound method with "Statistical Upper Bound" method presented a few month ago. This will give you some discount already.
Arash Farhood
Director System Eng
Cortina Systems

Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:26:32 -0800
From: john.petrilla@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] SMF Ad Hoc
To: STDS-802-3-100GNGOPTX@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hello Arash


Do you have results using the different calculation methods for 10GBASE-LR as defined in clause 52?





From: Arash Farhood [mailto:arash_farhood@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:13 AM
To: STDS-802-3-100GNGOPTX@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] SMF Ad Hoc


  I am resending this email in response to John Petrilla presentation.

From: arash_farhood@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: stds-802-3-100gngoptx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] SMF Ad Hoc
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 20:17:57 +0000

I did some quick calculations to check the 1dB MPI penalty John showed us today. We need to pay more attention to this

1- Assume discount factor of 0.6, ROSA/TOSA_RL=-12dB and no connector, ER=3.5dB
The upper bound MPI penalty according to bhatt_01_0512 is 1.63dB. The MPI Penalty according to San Antonio statistical method is 1.31dB.
John slide shows around .9dB. The difference is most likely coming from the fact that the John's calculation is taking into account IL and I do not. I am not doing this since I am not really sure how to do this correctly. I am not convinced the method that is used in 10GEPBaud3_1_16a.xl is actually truly worst case.

2- I added 4 connectors to the the above with RL_connector=-35dB
bhatt_01_0512 MPI=2.49dB and SA_ Stats_MPI=1.97dB
The point is, we should not ignore the connectors even if the RL_Connector=-35dB

3- Removed the discount factor from the above
bhatt_01_0512 MPI=5.66dB and SA_ Stats_MPI=4.06dB
So the discount factor is a substantial discount!

Arash Farhood
Director System Eng
Cortina Systems

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 13:32:21 -0500
From: panslow@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] SMF Ad Hoc
To: STDS-802-3-100GNGOPTX@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



The draft minutes and presentation from today’s call are on the SMF Ad Hoc web page.


As discussed on today’s SMF Ad Hoc call, the next call of the  SMF Ad Hoc will be at 8:00 am Pacific on Tuesday 18 December (1.5 hour duration if sufficient presentations otherwise shorter).

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There is a further SMF Ad Hoc opportunity on 8 Jan.


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