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Re: [802.3_ISAAC] IEEE P802.3dm D0.a EZ bucket available

Frank – totally appropriate to take this out of the EZ bucket.  I would like to point out that we try to name the specific states that a requirement applies to rather than say “following the “X” state”, because “following the “X” state” implies that the state diagram is a one-time through, linear process.  They generally are not.  If the state diagram can recycle, it isn’t clear what happens when you recycle, since you have already been through that state…  You can make it clear – but it takes more words.  We assume that the sense of ‘following’ is reset when the diagram recycles, say, for instance, to the SILENT state, but that isn’t always the case.  There are things you want to do only on the first pass through.

 

In clause 149, this particular language is descriptive, and isn’t a requirement – so you don’t really need to be as precise with it, but it still isn’t quite correct, both from the aspect above, and even in light of the state diagrams.

The language ‘following’ here isn’t quite correct (and it isn’t correct in clause 149) – as the PCS_DATA state follows the TRAINING (or TRAINING1) states, but does not exhibit the same behavior. (it returns to transmit disable)

 

George Zimmerman, Ph.D.

President & Principal

CME Consulting, Inc.

Experts in Advanced PHYsical Communications

george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

310-920-3860

 

From: Natalie Wienckowski <natalie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2026 7:20 AM
To: STDS-802-3-ISAAC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_ISAAC] IEEE P802.3dm D0.a EZ bucket available

 

Hi Frank,

 

I have moved comment #150 out of the EZ bucket.

 

 

Natalie Wienckowski

In-Vehicle Networking Solutions LLC

586-247-0846

 

 

On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 6:59 AM Frank Wang (王順生) <frank.wang@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Natalie, Val,

Please pull comment #150 from the EZ-bucket.

 

I am OK with your response, “At any COUNTDOWN or PCS_TEST state”. However, after checking the statement in 149.4.2.4.10, I prefer to replace “At any COUNTDOWN state” with “At any time during the COUNTDOWN0 state or following the TRAINING1 state”.

149.4.2.4.10 now: At any time following the TRAINING state, …

202.4.2.4.11 now: At any COUNTDOWN state, …

202.4.2.4.11 new: At any time during the COUNTDOWN0 state or following the TRAINING1 state, …

 

Thank you,

Frank

 

From: Natalie Wienckowski <natalie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2026 5:49 AM
To: STDS-802-3-ISAAC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [802.3_ISAAC] IEEE P802.3dm D0.a EZ bucket available

 

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Dear 3dm participants,

 

The "EZ" bucket for the comments received on D0.a is now available on the website.  Please review these proposed comment resolutions carefully.  If you see anything that is incorrect, or should be discussed during our upcoming meetings, please send an email in response to this posting, to the reflector so the TF can see it.  Please make your request by using the comment #.  It can be found in the box in the upper right corner of each comment.  While it is helpful if you include your reason for pulling the comment, it is not necessary.

 

Please send all requests to remove a comment from the "EZ" bucket by Friday, January 16th AOE, e.g. before you leave work on Friday.

 

Thanks,

 

Natalie Wienckowski

In-Vehicle Networking Solutions LLC

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